Axl Political Social Media Post Discussion Thread

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Lol Axl Rose being referred to as being “left wing.” 

And why? Because he doesn’t want covid 19 to spread. 

[Tom2112]

16 minutes ago, Voodoochild said:

 

He was also the inspiration to Riad N' The Bedouins. 

IMO, both are pretty good metaphors about people and/or countries selling war and profiting from both sides. And with absolutely no regrets about it.

It's not that hard to figure out that the thing is the disregard about people's lives. I don't think the Confederate jacket got used because it was just a war symbol.

 

I agree with most of what you said, besides the "unbiased sources". There's no such a thing. Who they chose to talk to, the order, the questions and even the choice of quotes are all biased. We're not robots, that should be expected.

There is, however, credible and fact-checked/sourced journalism. The best way is to keep that in mind, read/watch content from those media sources, and try to make it up on your own. 

So yeah, news TV are not the best, but there's a huge difference between Fox News (pretty much just PR) and the others. 

Problem with the the big news channels is someone owns them, and that someone has a political leaning and they put their spin on things.

But I agree, I didn't really mean one source though more like a combination of sources giving factual information and critiquing what the main shows are doing and saying. I know a lot of the alt media has a slant towards left or right, but you can tune in your news to your liking, a bit here a bit there! OR just watch Alex Jones... I love my new water filter 😋🤣

[gnfnrs1972]

19 minutes ago, Sydney Fan said:

But not for wearing the jacket back then. People didnt bat an eyelid about it. I think it was still acceptable to wear it back then. Culture nowdays i guess is just different.

What next, if tv in the US does any reruns of the dukes of hazzard they will have to censor the confederate flag off the General Lee?.

The Dukes of Hazard has already been banned from reruns because of the car.......so yeah they will have to blur it out to get back on tv.

[Voodoochild]

12 minutes ago, Tom2112 said:

Problem with the the big news channels is someone owns them, and that someone has a political leaning and they put their spin on things.

But I agree, I didn't really mean one source though more like a combination of sources giving factual information and critiquing what the main shows are doing and saying. I know a lot of the alt media has a slant towards left or right, but you can tune in your news to your liking, a bit here a bit there! OR just watch Alex Jones... I love my new water filter 😋🤣

What I can tell from my personal experience is that investors and share holders don't have such a heavy influence on the hard news. They do have on the media editorial position. It's not the same thing, though.  

IMO, the best scenario (like tech sites owned by mobile operators such as Verizon) is when the news not only tell the story, but they make it clear if any affiliation should be disclaimed.

[Blackstar]

1 hour ago, Sydney Fan said:

But not for wearing the jacket back then. People didnt bat an eyelid about it. I think it was still acceptable to wear it back then. Culture nowdays i guess is just different.

What next, if tv in the US does any reruns of the dukes of hazzard they will have to censor the confederate flag off the General Lee?.

Yes, like I said, at that time the confederate flag was largely decontextualized, and it was trivialized, like in The Dukes of Hazzard, as an innocent symbol of "southern pride" and southern culture as well as a of a positive and appealing (to a portion of society) representation of "outlawism". At least that was how it was perceived internationally, but probably even in the U.S. many people didn't know about its association with the KKK and white supremacy. 

Having said that, I remember watching The Dukes as a kid and loving it. Being curious, I went to read who General Lee was (as expected, we weren't taught much of U.S. history in Greece) and, even though I didn't know anything else about the flag then, I did wonder, in my child mind, why Bo and Luke took pride of a general who fought for maintaining slavery.

If the summary of the contemporary criticism in the beginning of this article is accurate, at the time the show was criticized for everything else except the flag:

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/dukes-hazzard-stars-john-schneider-tom-wopat-respond-controversy-cars-confederate-flag-1302105

 

Edited July 8, 2020 by Blackstar

[Stay.Of.Execution]

1 hour ago, soon said:

Lol Axl Rose being referred to as being “left wing.” 

And why? Because he doesn’t want covid 19 to spread. 

For racist idiots reason equals left wing

[Sydney Fan]

1 hour ago, Blackstar said:

Yes, like I said, at that time the confederate flag was largely decontextualized, and it was trivialized, like in The Dukes of Hazzard, as an innocent symbol of "southern pride" and southern culture as well as a of a positive and appealing (to a portion of society) representation of "outlawism". At least that was how it was perceived internationally, but probably even in the U.S. many people didn't know about its association with the KKK and white supremacy. 

Having said that, I remember watching The Dukes as a kid and loving it. Being curious, I went to read who General Lee was (as expected, we weren't taught much of U.S. history in Greece) and, even though I didn't know anything else about the flag then, I did wonder, in my child mind, why Bo and Luke took pride of a general who fought for maintaining slavery.

If the summary of the contemporary criticism in the beginning of this article is accurate, at the time the show was criticized for everything else except the flag:

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/dukes-hazzard-stars-john-schneider-tom-wopat-respond-controversy-cars-confederate-flag-1302105

 

Thanks blackstar, good read. Here in oz the flag as was the car, was a token of rebelious and outlawism. The show was huge . No one thought twice about the history.

[Swampfox]

1 hour ago, StayofExecution2020 said:

For racist idiots reason equals left wing

Such a typical statement of a democrat.  If you don't agree with the left you're a racist.  I couldn't possibly agree with conservative views and not be a racist right?  

[2020_Intensions]

10 hours ago, Blackstar said:

No, but probably it served as a metaphor for the contemporary wars and social conflicts.

It should also taken into consideration that at that time the confederate flag was trivialized internationally by/in popular culture like The Dukes of Hazzard. Maybe even kids in the US didn't know much about it and its historical context.

Trust me ... Almost everybody in America knows the historical (although maybe not fully) context of that flag ....

[Gibsonfender2323]

3 minutes ago, Swampfox said:

Such a typical statement of a democrat.  If you don't agree with the left you're a racist.  I couldn't possibly agree with conservative views and not be a racist right?  

The right agrees to disagree with people on the left. The Left thinks everyone who isn't them is evil.

[2020_Intensions]

3 hours ago, Sydney Fan said:

But not for wearing the jacket back then. People didnt bat an eyelid about it. I think it was still acceptable to wear it back then. Culture nowdays i guess is just different.

What next, if tv in the US does any reruns of the dukes of hazzard they will have to censor the confederate flag off the General Lee?.

Not just the flag, but now the name "General Lee" is a banned name ... 1984 !!!!

[Mansin Humanity]

4 minutes ago, 2020_Intensions said:

Not just the flag, but now the name "General Lee" is a banned name ... 1984 !!!!

banned by who?

[Blackstar]

8 minutes ago, 2020_Intensions said:

Trust me ... Almost everybody in America knows the historical (although maybe not fully) context of that flag ....

Currently, yes. But did everybody know in the 80s, when The Dukes of Hazzard was one of the most popular TV shows? 

Edited July 8, 2020 by Blackstar

[DieselDaisy]

1 hour ago, Blackstar said:

Yes, like I said, at that time the confederate flag was largely decontextualized, and it was trivialized, like in The Dukes of Hazzard, as an innocent symbol of "southern pride" and southern culture as well as a of a positive and appealing (to a portion of society) representation of "outlawism". At least that was how it was perceived internationally, but probably even in the U.S. many people didn't know about its association with the KKK and white supremacy. 

Having said that, I remember watching The Dukes as a kid and loving it. Being curious, I went to read who General Lee was (as expected, we weren't taught much of U.S. history in Greece) and, even though I didn't know anything else about the flag then, I did wonder, in my child mind, why Bo and Luke took pride of a general who fought for maintaining slavery.

If the summary of the contemporary criticism in the beginning of this article is accurate, at the time the show was criticized for everything else except the flag:

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/dukes-hazzard-stars-john-schneider-tom-wopat-respond-controversy-cars-confederate-flag-1302105

 

Robert E. Lee abhorred slavery as an institution. He fought for the Confederacy because Virginia seceded: "I shall never bear arms against the Union, but it may be necessary for me to carry a musket in the defense of my native state, Virginia, in which case I shall not prove recreant to my duty''. 

[Swampfox]

5 hours ago, Padme said:

Uh? Arizona, Texas, Florida, Oklahoma and Georgia among others have Replublican Governors.  But politcs aside people should know better. You have to wear a mask. You have to try to keep social distance as much as you can. Nevermind what any given politician says. People must listen to what doctors  say

I'm in a full face respirator between 8 and 12 hours a day for work.  I laugh when I hear people complain about having to wear a cloth face covering.  I feel like it shouldn't be mandatory to wear a mask to go outside and if people want to risk infecting each other let them.  I wouldn't go anywhere there is a crowd but if these idiots want to gather let em gather.  People should have a choice.

[Swampfox]

22 minutes ago, Gibsonfender2323 said:

The right agrees to disagree with people on the left. The Left thinks everyone who isn't them is evil.

Well said👍

Edited July 8, 2020 by Swampfox
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10 minutes ago, Gibsonfender2323 said:

The right agrees to disagree with people on the left.

Which is why the right forms militias and other hate groups like the Proud Boys or parties like Golden Dawn?

11 minutes ago, Gibsonfender2323 said:

The Left thinks everyone who isn't them is evil.

The point was actually that Axl isnt a leftist.

[Tom2112]

2 hours ago, Voodoochild said:

What I can tell from my personal experience is that investors and share holders don't have such a heavy influence on the hard news. They do have on the media editorial position. It's not the same thing, though.  

IMO, the best scenario (like tech sites owned by mobile operators such as Verizon) is when the news not only tell the story, but they make it clear if any affiliation should be disclaimed.

Yeah I agree, nothing sours things more than finding out something seedy down the line. Full disclosure and business, never goes hand in hand though! 

[Tom2112]

One thing is for certain this face mask issue and the handling of it has really divided people. I mean we're talking about wearing a bloody face mask here!!! 🤣 Why is it so controversial? If they came out and said, from this day forth every citizen has to wear a numbered suit and be chipped this response would be justified. People are crazy! It's not a left or right issue, it's a health issue! so park the politics!

Statistics show that masks help prevent the spread - we want concerts, we want sports, We want travel, we want regular shopping and normal life to resume! all of that comes with suppressing the virus! no masks means the above doesn't happen for a much, much longer time and possibly thousands more people die for no good reason! Also, also!!!! the GNR album is being held up  

 

[Padme]

8 minutes ago, Swampfox said:

I'm in a full face respirator between 8 and 12 hours a day for work.  I laugh when I hear people complain about having to wear a cloth face covering.  I feel like it shouldn't be mandatory to wear a mask to go outside and if people want to risk infecting each other let them.  I wouldn't go anywhere there is a crowd but if these idiots want to gather let em gather.  People should have a choice.

No, don't let them. Progress can't be made if people are allowed to do whatever they want. There is no vaccine and there is no medication right now. Those people are making things worst. They wanna go to the beach or go to a bar? Fine, but keep some distance and wear a mask. It is for their own benefit, and also for the benefit of their fellow citizens

[Gibsonfender2323]

13 minutes ago, soon said:

Which is why the right forms militias and other hate groups like the Proud Boys or parties like Golden Dawn?

How about Antifa, Brownshirts, The mobs destroying American cities and monuments?

 

14 minutes ago, soon said:

The point was actually that Axl isnt a leftist.

Yes he is

[AxlSlashthebest]

I open the forum. I see it's hot on "official media"..........so cool...........then

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Just now, Gibsonfender2323 said:

How about Antifa, Brownshirts, The mobs destroying American cities and monuments?

Whataboutism. You've instantly abandoned the point you made which is that "The right agrees to disagree with the left." That is not a defendable position so you move on to whataboutism. Unfortunately this whataboutism is full of holes.

Antifa cant be said to represent the general ethos of leftism because its not an organization and has no membership structure. To join Proud Boys you understand their mission statement and you agree to its beliefs. There is even initiation rituals. Antifa has none of these things. 

Antifa in USA is basically 5 years old. Militias have always existed in the US. Toss in the KKK, Storm Front, etc. When the right exists in an offensive posture for decades on end, it makes your claim absolutely impossible to even consider.

Being anti fascist is a great thing to be, though, obviously.

8 minutes ago, Gibsonfender2323 said:

Yes he is

No. Leftism is marked be criticisms of capitalism, including in many cases a rejection of capitalism all together. Leftist thought sees capitalism as oppressive and exploitative. Leftist thought critiques capitalism for ecocide, monocultural, neoliberalism and the creation of the precariat among other items. 

You may have heard of terms like "socialism" or "anti-capitalist" which are far more indicative of leftism than tweeting about the importance of wearing masks during a pandemic or hocking cheap trinkets while flying a private jet.

 

[Blackstar]

45 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

Robert E. Lee abhorred slavery as an institution. He fought for the Confederacy because Virginia seceded: "I shall never bear arms against the Union, but it may be necessary for me to carry a musket in the defense of my native state, Virginia, in which case I shall not prove recreant to my duty''. 

Of course the Civil War was more complicated than merely Abolitionism Vs. Slavery, and, in regards to the officers who fought in it there was also the aspect of "military honour" that was above other beliefs. But, as in the case of German officers who were not ideologically Nazis, the fact remains that they fought on the wrong side.

[2020_Intensions]

56 minutes ago, Mansin Humanity said:

banned by who?

The thought police

 

57 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

Currently, yes. But did everybody know in the 80s, when The Dukes of Hazzard was one of the most popular TV shows? 

Well considering the 80s was closer to the Civil War (and return of that flag in the 50s) than the 2010s I'd say yes? lol

3 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

Of course the Civil War was more complicated than merely Abolitionism Vs. Slavery, and, in regards to the officers who fought in it there was also the aspect of "military honour" that was above other beliefs. But, as in the case of German officers who were not ideologically Nazis, the fact remains that they fought on the wrong side.

Nazi Germany & the Confederated South is in no way shape or form a proper comparison to make ... At all ...