tsinindy Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 18 minutes ago, Tom2112 said: Give it a rest. The problem is he’s right, but I can understand why an apologist gets tired of hearing it. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie6 Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 12 minutes ago, Tom2112 said: Give it a rest. That's all the point of the reunion. The fans that are calling "fake guns ,hired guns or axl rose solo project "are quite happy with this reunion. But there are plenty of fans like me who would give anything to hear CD2 and CD3 . I was a Big fan of CD area. Every new leaked song or solo sounded like something new and exciting to hear . GNR reunited it's cool , and really OMG but they became a nostalgic band like Kiss , rolling stone , Aerosmith etc.. where all the the marketing is oriented to the past and to remember "the good old days ". So that's why I dont believe in any new music from now on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jw224 Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 I would love to hear the other songs. I would think Axl would probably want to at least use parts of the stuff he spent all that time making in a new gnr album. Whether or not they will take the same form as they are currently is another matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknroll41 Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 If anything, a reunion increases the chances of some kind of new album. Before NITL, no one gave a shit about GNR anymore outside of us here on these forums. I don't think even the record label was interested either after CD1 didn't do what it was supposed to. Plus, as others have said, previous members like Bumblefoot and Ashba seemed like they were losing interest. Funny enough, I remember Stinson saying there was a better chance of CD2 coming out than a Replacements reunion. So much for that! I would imagine it would be (at least in part) CD2 songs overdubbed by slash and duff, since that would be easier for them to do than writing all new songs from scratch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DieselDaisy Posted May 9, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 9, 2018 (edited) I see it differently. The reunion gives Rose an even greater incentive to submerge himself more thoroughly into the status as a ''legacy act'' à la Billy Joel, a process which began circa 2011. Since that year we have gradually seen Rose reposition himself, from the unfulfilled and frustrated studio bound persona of early Nugnr, into ''imitation 1987'', a purveyor of Kiss-esque corporate mementos. The only difference between ''The Ashba Years'' and today, is that there are now stadia and immense amounts of money involved, a far cry from the embarrassing morale-sapping casinos of late-period Nugnr. Pursuing the legacy option is now economically fulfilling. Things like new material are now annoyances, reminders of Chinese Democracy's frustrated gestation; albums are things band members quarrel over; albums are things producers and record labels argue about; albums expose one to artistic ridicule. Why then (so the rational goes) even bother with albums when there are crowds of affluent casuals willing to chuck money at your feet for the ''hits''? The lazier option has far more benefits. Edited May 9, 2018 by DieselDaisy 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jw224 Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said: I see it differently. The reunion gives Rose an even greater incentive to submerge himself more thoroughly into the status as a ''legacy act'' à la Billy Joel, a process which began circa 2011. Since that year we have gradually seen Rose reposition himself, from the unfulfilled and frustrated studio bound persona of early Nugnr, into ''imitation 1987'', a purveyor of Kiss-esque corporate mementos. The only difference between ''The Ashba Years'' and today, is that there are now stadia and immense amounts of money involved, a far cry from the embarrassing morale-sapping casinos of late-period Nugnr. Pursuing the legacy option is now economically fulfilling. Things like new material are now annoyances, reminders of Chinese Democracy's frustrated gestation; albums are things band members quarrel over; albums are things producers and record labels argue about; albums expose one to artistic ridicule. Why then (so the rational goes) even bother with albums when there are crowds of affluent casuals willing to chuck money at your feet for the ''hits''? The lazier option has far more benefits. If they are artistic people at all then they will want to work on new material. If they are just content to do this and then hang it up it's a very sad state of affairs for them as people. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beautifulanddamned Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 I think Slash Axl and Duff all have the need to seem like authentic rock n rollers who value their musicianship above all else. I don't think they especially want to acknowledge that they have put nostalgia and the money it brings before musicianship. Their silence speaks volumes. Are you psyched to make music with this line-up? Do you value the contributions you will get from Ferrer and Fortus, who after all are a part of your band? They are valued members of your band, right? You do consider it your band, right? Guys? Shout it from the rooftops! Or just bury your heads in the sand, stay silent and release a single from over 30 years ago. No new music. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom2112 Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 1 hour ago, tsinindy said: The problem is he’s right, but I can understand why an apologist gets tired of hearing it. Apologist😂 Absolutely not. I just can't stand to read the same thing in EVERY thread. And he's neither right or wrong in the sense that, that is his opinion. But for me, I disagree with his idea that something is fake gnr, until Slash and Duff re-record other people's parts.... I mean, surely authentic gnr can only be music written by original members only. The fact that you say it can be legitimate in such a simple way highlights the bias towards anything gnr releases without the top hatted one. Having Slash replay someone else's parts does not make or break a song. A songs quality is decided by the riffs, melodies, lyrics, arrangements AND the performances... But you have to have the majority of those other things too otherwise it's going to be a bad song. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 24 minutes ago, Jw224 said: If they are artistic people at all then they will want to work on new material. If they are just content to do this and then hang it up it's a very sad state of affairs for them as people. It is really Rose. Slash and Duff both have their artistic outlets, Conspirators and Walking Papers/Loaded respectively. Axl's gradual turning away from a creative act into a legacy act actually predates the reunion by about five years. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyPrettyTiedUpMichelle Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 7 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said: It is really Rose. Slash and Duff both have their artistic outlets, Conspirators and Walking Papers/Loaded respectively. Axl's gradual turning away from a creative act into a legacy act actually predates the reunion by about five years. What he does with Loaded remains to be seen but Duff has completely abandoned Walking Papers, best band he ever played for outside of Guns. Not that he seems to care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Original Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 3 hours ago, Tom2112 said: Give it a rest. When it comes to the alleged CD2, then yes I agree- give it a rest. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jw224 Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 38 minutes ago, Original said: When it comes to the alleged CD2, then yes I agree- give it a rest. You're coming into a thread about CD2 to say this? Okay lol. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nikosgnr Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 Probably with the CD Era lineup reunion next decade. So many gems hiding in the vault there. As for now, the basic idea of the songs will be in the next album. Although, it would be very interesting to hear new material from the scratch.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxlRoseCDII Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 The only way we will hear anything further from the Chinese era will be when Axl passes and they unload the vault ala Michael Jackson, Elvis or any other deceased legend. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downzy Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 I doubt the reunion affected anything other than the timing. If Axl wants the music out, it will be out eventually. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zombux Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 3 hours ago, MyPrettyTiedUpMichelle said: What he does with Loaded remains to be seen but Duff has completely abandoned Walking Papers, best band he ever played for outside of Guns. Not that he seems to care. sorry, but post-VR Loaded is mediocre crap. I absolutely love what Duff did at Beautiful Disease and the subsequent Loaded tours and albums, but since 2002 it was dead meat. Sick is bad and The Taking is even worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triad Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 4 hours ago, MyPrettyTiedUpMichelle said: What he does with Loaded remains to be seen but Duff has completely abandoned Walking Papers, best band he ever played for outside of Guns. Not that he seems to care. Off topic, but I wish he'd do more with Levee Walkers. I like that sound better than Walking Papers. Not better than Gn'R, though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Original Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 3 hours ago, AxlRoseCDII said: The only way we will hear anything further from the Chinese era will be when Axl passes and they unload the vault ala Michael Jackson, Elvis or any other deceased legend. **See the Prince debacle happening. — I hope to God Axl has all this shit sorted out so it’s not some gong show with TB when the time comes. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNRfanMILO Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 No, I don’t want 20 year old songs with Slash all over them. I want new songs written by Axl, Slash and Duff (and Izzy if he wants). Release CD2 as an Axl Rose solo album or in a Chinese Democracy boxset in 2028 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Original Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 1 hour ago, GNRfanMILO said: No, I don’t want 20 year old songs with Slash all over them. I want new songs written by Axl, Slash and Duff (and Izzy if he wants). Release CD2 as an Axl Rose solo album or in a Chinese Democracy boxset in 2028 I “liked” this but I truly wish history could erase 1994-2015 ish when it comes to Guns. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killuridols Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 1 hour ago, Original said: **See the Prince debacle happening. — I hope to God Axl has all this shit sorted out so it’s not some gong show with TB when the time comes. TB will inherit everything pertaining to him.... Who else could be? Maybe brother and sister get something but they are even more clueless than TB when it comes to music. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hollywood Zombie Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 I can't wait for cock a roach soup 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RONIN Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 How can you miss out on something that was never intended for release? They had 7 years to release the second album. It never came out because Universal (and Axl) were horrified at the thought of a GNR album featuring Bumblefoot and DJ Ashba. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killuridols Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 I've come to the conclusion that neither of those "albums" (CD2, CD3) actually exist. They are a chimera. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hollywood Gunner Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 i really hope we get to hear axls version of why he doesnt just put his music out there. if hes not "working on all that stuff to keep it burried" then whats the deal? by waiting so long between releases it ups the pressure to release something good. if he just threw out every little garbage idea, people would remember the good ones along the way and gnrs discography would look a little something like metallicas... does axl see that as such a bad thing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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