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Axl is close to 60 Reunion is now over 4 years old The last unheard new song was played in 2006 The last studio album was in 2008 The last new song before that in 1999 Every s

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13 hours ago, Tyler Drama said:

The vocals recorded in that song clearly were never meant to be on the final version. This is most notable on the very first few words of that song (I won’t be told anymore). They’re pretty obviously an error, or just wrongly-performed. The rhythm is completely different to how it’s actually supposed to be sung. I’m still convinced it’s the first time he ever sang it, for demo purposes, and he just never decided to do a final take.

I know Axl is lazy, but this band can't be that two bit surely! Some of the songs he's clearly been so painstakingly detailed on every note vocally and musically, I think the scraped hiccup in the second verse is 100% intentional and Madagascar is probably just how he felt like singing it. 

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Who knows. But it always sounded like an error to me. The kind of thing that isn't obvious (which is why many people dont notice it, so you can understand why QC didn't spot it) but still wrong. I can't imagine for the life of me why they would do that on purpose. It literally fucks up the whole word, you can't understand what he is saying (try reading the lyrics while listening). It's clear they've done some extensive vocal processing on the song, and I just think they cocked this bit up and nobody noticed until it was too late.

It's so obvious to me though, I don't know who can hear that song and not hear it straight away. With the 10 years of mixing that went into it, it just seems like a studio technique. Maybe we should ask fernando, not that he'll have a fucking clue

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1 hour ago, allwaystired said:

Yep. Fernando said it was done. 

Didn’t he follow up on that comment and say that they were bringing in new video editing people and that the series might come back? Coulda sworn I read that on the reddit thread.

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23 minutes ago, rocknroll41 said:

Didn’t he follow up on that comment and say that they were bringing in new video editing people and that the series might come back? Coulda sworn I read that on the reddit thread.

I’ve been on that thread and can’t say I’ve seen anything like that. It’s done it seems.

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6 minutes ago, FabioRoses said:

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He did it.

I think his comment about 'brought on other people' is referring to Nightrain.

There's some issue with numbering depending on whether you view on phone or computer that we noticed earlier. 

I find Reddit immensely confusing. Was just trying to look at and discovered the comments from one user on the Fernando updates....who seems to be an uber-pervert that spends half his time ranting at Fernando, and the rest messaging random women about their tits or wanting to see nude pictures of them! 

Gave me a chuckle for a bit, but I'll never get that time back. 

If he reads this though: give it up pal! You'll go blind. 

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7 hours ago, cineater said:

There comes a point where what was your vision has been taken over by so many others it's no longer something you are passionate about.  Take away the passion from the creator and it's something they are just a part of if you know what I mean.

I always wonder how much control the label has over GNR?  We blame Axl and management when things don't happen but I don't think they are as free and in control of what they do that we attribute to them.

Idk, I feel like Axl is a special case where GnR is such a massive brand with a long record-breaking history he can basically do whatever he wants, which was kinda what he was doing since the 90s haha

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1 hour ago, DTJ80 said:

I’ve been on that thread and can’t say I’ve seen anything like that. It’s done it seems.

You’re right. He was responding to a question related to the Nightrain forum and when he said “we are bringing people in” I assume he meant video editors for NITL Selects, cause that was one of the other questions asked by the same person. My bad. 

1 hour ago, allwaystired said:

I haven't seen that if so......

See above

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19 minutes ago, 2020_Intensions said:

Idk, I feel like Axl is a special case where GnR is such a massive brand with a long record-breaking history he can basically do whatever he wants, which was kinda what he was doing since the 90s haha

Massive brand that is built on product from 30 years ago for the label.  That wasn't a long history and GNR barely makes a passing appearance in new charts since then.  That's just part of a constant yet decreasing revenue stream.  Hit on it at random intervals and pump a little more out of it on it's way out.  GNR can do what they want maybe because the label is happy just the way it is and wants to continue to capitalize on what they have to sell.  GNR touring helps that goal.  GNR putting out new music probably not a money maker for the label.

What's the label to do?  IMO, totally uninformed, I'd string them along until I was forced to make a decision about giving them what they want in the way of a new album.  Do I want to risk losing them as a touring act that supports the old revenue stream by telling them no deal?  I'd keep their heads turned towards touring, makes both of us money.  I wouldn't be encouraging new music.  Doesn't really make either of us money, probably comes closer to the loss side.  Go ahead and play some new songs in your set if it makes you happy.  Might be a little something I can tack onto the next regurgitation of the classic material to give folks reason to buy what they already have.

There's still the full reunion tour possibility the label would want to protect.  That would pump up the revenue stream.  I'd be pushing them that way.  Of course they can't tour now and the clock is ticking.  All future thoughts, but for now, dead stop with GNR on any new music.  They've got nothing to force me to do anything I can't talk my way out of.  Just string them along.

But I'm not the label, just a fan of the music.  Nothing going on, I'm not really paying attention.  I'm sure word will get to me.  I won't get lost.  Still part of the flock.  Still hopeful we'll hear, somehow, someway, what is they would like for us to hear.  After all, it's 2020, who saw any of this coming?  Stranger things have happened.

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9 hours ago, t-p-d-a said:

I don't want to start the topic "NITL Selects" again, it's closed but it is over? No more videos?

 

I think the reason he keeps avoiding answering that question is because the reason that they've stopped doing the videos is because Axl doesn't sound good and he doesn't want that out there. That's my guess anyway.

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2 hours ago, MaskingApathy said:

 

 

I think the reason he keeps avoiding answering that question is because the reason that they've stopped doing the videos is because Axl doesn't sound good and he doesn't want that out there. That's my guess anyway.

Off Topic: In 2016 he was absoluty amazing for his age. Some songs were absoluty great. Sweet Child & YCBM were always meh.. Even in 2017 Paradise City had alot of rasp. This excuse is bull$h!t. My opinion

Maybe they want save 2016 for a NITL live album? If that's the reason why they don't upload NITL Selects from 2016, I'm aboluty fine with this. Just imagine Welcome To The Jungle from 2016 proper mixed. Holy S. I still get goosebumbs from Nightrain live at Coachella.

so back to topic:
So Fernando said New Music is a thing? "Some of the new ones"? I hope it will happen next year... or he thinks that "Think About You" and "Breakdown" are "the new ones" ?

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9 hours ago, cineater said:

Massive brand that is built on product from 30 years ago for the label.  That wasn't a long history and GNR barely makes a passing appearance in new charts since then.  That's just part of a constant yet decreasing revenue stream.  Hit on it at random intervals and pump a little more out of it on it's way out.  GNR can do what they want maybe because the label is happy just the way it is and wants to continue to capitalize on what they have to sell.  GNR touring helps that goal.  GNR putting out new music probably not a money maker for the label.

What's the label to do?  IMO, totally uninformed, I'd string them along until I was forced to make a decision about giving them what they want in the way of a new album.  Do I want to risk losing them as a touring act that supports the old revenue stream by telling them no deal?  I'd keep their heads turned towards touring, makes both of us money.  I wouldn't be encouraging new music.  Doesn't really make either of us money, probably comes closer to the loss side.  Go ahead and play some new songs in your set if it makes you happy.  Might be a little something I can tack onto the next regurgitation of the classic material to give folks reason to buy what they already have.

There's still the full reunion tour possibility the label would want to protect.  That would pump up the revenue stream.  I'd be pushing them that way.  Of course they can't tour now and the clock is ticking.  All future thoughts, but for now, dead stop with GNR on any new music.  They've got nothing to force me to do anything I can't talk my way out of.  Just string them along.

But I'm not the label, just a fan of the music.  Nothing going on, I'm not really paying attention.  I'm sure word will get to me.  I won't get lost.  Still part of the flock.  Still hopeful we'll hear, somehow, someway, what is they would like for us to hear.  After all, it's 2020, who saw any of this coming?  Stranger things have happened.

This is an important fact that people on here tend to forget. 

The money GNR produce from touring and their back catalogue is infinitely bigger than what new music would generate. 

 

4 hours ago, MaskingApathy said:

I think the reason he keeps avoiding answering that question is because the reason that they've stopped doing the videos is because Axl doesn't sound good and he doesn't want that out there. That's my guess anyway.

Nah I don't think that's the case. Reception of both selects was broadly positive.

I can imagine Axl closing them down in the same way he wanted appetite for democracy shelved though.

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6 hours ago, MaskingApathy said:

 

 

I think the reason he keeps avoiding answering that question is because the reason that they've stopped doing the videos is because Axl doesn't sound good and he doesn't want that out there. That's my guess anyway.

I'd go with that to be honest. Everyone I've shown them to has just mocked them, sadly, and they went down like a lead balloon here.....but a lot of that was to do with the shows they chose I think. There were far better eamples than those that could have been used. 

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Anything from 2016 could have been used, even with Axl in the chair. Again, this falls on the management, because if the reason really was Axl not liking the vids (speculation ofc), then if Nando's choice was different (down to earth), we can reasonably assume the "Selects" would have continued. 

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3 hours ago, GNR_RNR said:

Nah I don't think that's the case. Reception of both selects was broadly positive.

 

5 hours ago, t-p-d-a said:

Off Topic: In 2016 he was absoluty amazing for his age. Some songs were absoluty great. Sweet Child & YCBM were always meh.. Even in 2017 Paradise City had alot of rasp. This excuse is bull$h!t. My opinion

Maybe they want save 2016 for a NITL live album? If that's the reason why they don't upload NITL Selects from 2016, I'm aboluty fine with this. Just imagine Welcome To The Jungle from 2016 proper mixed. Holy S. I still get goosebumbs from Nightrain live at Coachella.

so back to topic:
So Fernando said New Music is a thing? "Some of the new ones"? I hope it will happen next year... or he thinks that "Think About You" and "Breakdown" are "the new ones" ?

But they didn't choose anything from 2016, what they did upload wasn't very flattering in regards to his voice. Even though a lot of people liked the videos there were still a lot of negative comments regarding Axl.

1 hour ago, allwaystired said:

I'd go with that to be honest. Everyone I've shown them to has just mocked them, sadly, and they went down like a lead balloon here.....but a lot of that was to do with the shows they chose I think. There were far better eamples than those that could have been used. 

 

1 hour ago, jamillos said:

Anything from 2016 could have been used, even with Axl in the chair. Again, this falls on the management, because if the reason really was Axl not liking the vids (speculation ofc), then if Nando's choice was different (down to earth), we can reasonably assume the "Selects" would have continued. 

I agree. 

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3 hours ago, GNR_RNR said:

This is an important fact that people on here tend to forget. 

The money GNR produce from touring and their back catalogue is infinitely bigger than what new music would generate. 

 

You know I hate to knock them out but they just aren't mainstream or the trend setters anymore.  Experienced musicians with the skills to make great music.  But the age factor works against them.  The stage got an up date, the video's are good but send them to a makeover. :lol:  How old are those clothes and that style?  Older men can be very attractive but they need to update those individual looks if they want to be considered in the group of current contenders.  Be their age but stop dressing like they did in their 20's.

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45 minutes ago, cineater said:

You know I hate to knock them out but they just aren't mainstream or the trend setters anymore.  Experienced musicians with the skills to make great music.  But the age factor works against them.  The stage got an up date, the video's are good but send them to a makeover. :lol:  How old are those clothes and that style?  Older men can be very attractive but they need to update those individual looks if they want to be considered in the group of current contenders.  Be their age but stop dressing like they did in their 20's.

Yeah, it's  a bit cringy. I would like to see some changes as well. But that is really their thing, if they live it, more power to them. 

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Not sure if it’s been mentioned here on the forum yet, but someone on discord just pointed out that five days ago Axl trademarked his own name (“Axl Rose”) for music, other audio, video, blogs, fashion, etc.

Not that it means anything. Just figured I’d share here, is all. Didn’t know what thread to mention this in, so I figured I’d mention it on this one just in case this ends up relating to new music, of some kind.

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23 minutes ago, rocknroll41 said:

Not sure if it’s been mentioned here on the forum yet, but someone on discord just pointed out that five days ago Axl trademarked his own name (“Axl Rose”) for music, other audio, video, blogs, fashion, etc.

Not that it means anything. Just figured I’d share here, is all. Didn’t know what thread to mention this in, so I figured I’d mention it on this one just in case this ends up relating to new music, of some kind.

That's a bit unusual, I think, for someone to trademark their own name for their music (it makes more sense for other products). Who knows what it means, if anything. Maybe he intends to start his own record company?

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Word Mark AXL ROSE
Goods and Services IC 009. US 021 023 026 036 038. G & S: Audio and video recordings featuring music and musical performances; downloadable audio and visual recordings featuring and promoting music and entertainment; downloadable image files in the fields of music and entertainment; downloadable mobile applications featuring information and content relating to music and entertainment; downloadable musical sound recordings; downloadable musical video recordings; downloadable photographs; downloadable ring tones and graphics for mobile phones and computers
Standard Characters Claimed  
Mark Drawing Code (4) STANDARD CHARACTER MARK
Serial Number 90086827
Filing Date July 31, 2020
Current Basis 1B
Original Filing Basis 1B
Owner (APPLICANT) Rose, W. Axl INDIVIDUAL UNITED STATES 5950 Canoga Avenue, Suite 510 Woodland Hills CALIFORNIA 91367
Attorney of Record Jill M. Pietrini
Type of Mark TRADEMARK
Register PRINCIPAL
Live/Dead Indicator LIVE
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Word Mark AXL ROSE
Goods and Services IC 025. US 022 039. G & S: Clothing, namely, bandanas, jackets, jeans, jerseys, loungewear, neckwear, overalls, pants, ponchos, shirts, shorts, sleepwear, socks, sweat bands, sweatpants, sweatshirts, tank tops, t-shirts, undergarments, and vests; and headwear
Standard Characters Claimed  
Mark Drawing Code (4) STANDARD CHARACTER MARK
Serial Number 90086834
Filing Date July 31, 2020
Current Basis 1B
Original Filing Basis 1B
Owner (APPLICANT) Rose, W. Axl INDIVIDUAL UNITED STATES 5950 Canoga Avenue, Suite 510 Woodland Hills CALIFORNIA 91367
Attorney of Record Jill M. Pietrini
Type of Mark TRADEMARK
Register PRINCIPAL
Live/Dead Indicator LIVE

 

 
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Word Mark AXL ROSE
Goods and Services IC 041. US 100 101 107. G & S: Blogs in the fields of music, musicians, films, television programs, and entertainment events; entertainment information; entertainment services in the nature of live musical performances; entertainment services in the nature of providing entertainment information regarding musicians, musical sound recordings, music videos, music and licensed merchandise via a website; entertainment services, namely, providing a website featuring non-downloadable audio and video recordings of performances from music and film festivals; entertainment services, namely, providing non-downloadable music and music videos via the internet; music composition services for others; music publishing services; non-downloadable musical sound recordings; production and distribution of musical audio and video recordings; recording studio services; record production services; song writing services
Standard Characters Claimed  
Mark Drawing Code (4) STANDARD CHARACTER MARK
Serial Number 90086840
Filing Date July 31, 2020
Current Basis 1B
Original Filing Basis 1B
Owner (APPLICANT) Rose, W. Axl INDIVIDUAL UNITED STATES 5950 Canoga Avenue, Suite 510 Woodland Hills CALIFORNIA 91367
Attorney of Record Jill M. Pietrini
Type of Mark SERVICE MARK
Register PRINCIPAL
Live/Dead Indicator LIVE

 

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