Towelie Posted March 22, 2021 Author Share Posted March 22, 2021 1 minute ago, PatrickS77 said: Disagree. Estranged has more edge and is less saccharine. Especially if you want to pit it against AFD. I've never been adverse to a bit of saccharine. You're talking to a guy who sees the merits of MJ's Heal The World. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatrickS77 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 7 minutes ago, Towelie said: I've never been adverse to a bit of saccharine. You're talking to a guy who sees the merits of MJ's Heal The World. Yes. I love "Heal the world" too, but this is a different world. It's Guns N' Roses. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Bird Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 (edited) 8 hours ago, Towelie said: To be honest, I think it would've surpassed it. No tacky cover versions or b-grade material like Back Off Bitch or Garden of Eden. Just straight up killer rocknroll. I had to omit Estranged as you can't have four 8+min epics on one album. 1. Right Next Door To Hell 2. Dust N Bones 3. Civil War 4. Bad Obsession 5. Don't Cry 6. Locomotive 7. Breakdown 8. Double Talkin Jive 9. November Rain 10. The Garden 11. You Could Be Mine 12. Bad Apples 13. Coma 14 Years instead of Bad Obsession Estranged instead of Breakdown Don't Damn Me instead of Bad Apples And probably Back Off Bitch instead of Right Next Door To Hell. That would be: 1. Back Off Bitch 2. Dust N Bones 3. Civil War 4. 14 Years 5. Don't Cry 6. Locomotive 7. Estranged 8. Double Talkin Jive 9. November Rain 10. The Garden 11. You Could Be Mine 12. Don't Damn Me 13. Coma Edit: That being said, I don't care for that talk about the Illusions being to long. With AFD, Lies and both Illusions Guns released 4 awesome records that made them one of the greatest bands in history. Edited March 22, 2021 by Free Bird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nice Boy Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 30 minutes ago, PatrickS77 said: Disagree. Estranged has more edge and is less saccharine. Especially if you want to pit it against AFD. Absolutely. I think November Rain is crap actually. It's too saccharine. I don't think the rasp voice suits the intro. Clean voice like Patience would have worked better. It's too long. It's way too indulgent on Axl's part, the other band members clearly think it's a drag playing it. Ask probably hates doing it now too. The Slash 'solo' isn't really a solo, like SCOM. It's just a 4 bar loop repeated. It's not even catchy. Doesn't have a chorus hook as the other hits do. If you ask the average person about it they might know of the song, but will struggle to recall how it 'goes'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Towelie Posted March 22, 2021 Author Share Posted March 22, 2021 15 minutes ago, Nice Boy said: Absolutely. I think November Rain is crap actually. It's too saccharine. I don't think the rasp voice suits the intro. Clean voice like Patience would have worked better. It's too long. It's way too indulgent on Axl's part, the other band members clearly think it's a drag playing it. Ask probably hates doing it now too. The Slash 'solo' isn't really a solo, like SCOM. It's just a 4 bar loop repeated. It's not even catchy. Doesn't have a chorus hook as the other hits do. If you ask the average person about it they might know of the song, but will struggle to recall how it 'goes'. 1 and a half billion Youtube views and counting says otherwise. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RussTCB Posted March 22, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 22, 2021 I've never been able to figure a way to get UYI down to 1 album that I'd be happy with. I like too many cuts on both, so it wouldn't fit on one CD. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Towelie Posted March 22, 2021 Author Share Posted March 22, 2021 1 minute ago, RussTCB said: I've never been able to figure a way to get UYI down to 1 album that I'd be happy with. I like too many cuts on both, so it wouldn't fit on one CD. Definitely agree with this. Was just having a bit of fun. It irks me when people say GNR are a one album band, when UYI has more quality spread across it than most bands could hope for in their entire catalogue. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankfurt93 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 12 hours ago, Towelie said: To be honest, I think it would've surpassed it. No tacky cover versions or b-grade material like Back Off Bitch or Garden of Eden. Just straight up killer rocknroll. I had to omit Estranged as you can't have four 8+min epics on one album. 1. Right Next Door To Hell 2. Dust N Bones 3. Civil War 4. Bad Obsession 5. Don't Cry 6. Locomotive 7. Breakdown 8. Double Talkin Jive 9. November Rain 10. The Garden 11. You Could Be Mine 12. Bad Apples 13. Coma no. both uyi's are better than afd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Towelie Posted March 22, 2021 Author Share Posted March 22, 2021 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Frankfurt93 said: no. both uyi's are better than afd Wow, bold statement. I could perhaps agree that as a package deal, UYI1 and UYI2 could give AFD a run for its money, but I don't think either individual album matches up. Edited March 22, 2021 by Towelie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thelostrose Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 20 minutes ago, Towelie said: Wow, bold statement. I could perhaps agree that as a package deal, UYI1 and UYI2 could give AFD a run for its money, but I don't think either individual album matches up. It depends, when you've gotten into GnR. For me it was 1991 with the Illusions. So those records will always be my favorites. A4D is an awesome records, but just a bit below the Illusions. (Honestly there are some kind of "fillers" on A4D too. Anything Goes and You're Crazy are alright, but similar to Shotgun Blues and You ain't the first. I Like 'em, but not as much as the big guns. So I get Frankfurt93's opinion.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatrickS77 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 23 minutes ago, thelostrose said: It depends, when you've gotten into GnR. For me it was 1991 with the Illusions. So those records will always be my favorites. A4D is an awesome records, but just a bit below the Illusions. (Honestly there are some kind of "fillers" on A4D too. Anything Goes and You're Crazy are alright, but similar to Shotgun Blues and You ain't the first. I Like 'em, but not as much as the big guns. So I get Frankfurt93's opinion.) Why does things always have to be compared? UYI is just different. It expanded and, considering it's 30 tracks, in a way dilluted the GNR sound. It's not necessarily worse (or better). Just different. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom-Ass Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 In my opinion there isn't any combination of 12 songs from UYI would be as good as Appetite.. Thry could certainly still make a great album but not as good as Appetite. Here is mine.. If KOHD was closer to their earlier live version I would add it but the UYI version is just way over done... Get In The Ring You Could Be Mine Dust N' Bones Back Off Bitch Don't Cry Dead Horse Breakdown Civil War Locomotive Estranged Don't Damn Me November Rain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nice Boy Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 6 hours ago, Towelie said: 1 and a half billion Youtube views and counting says otherwise. It has also been claimed that "100 million Bon Jovi fans can't be wrong". But it turns out they were all very, very wrong. I rest my case lol 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19AT5 Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 18 hours ago, Nice Boy said: Absolutely. I think November Rain is crap actually. It's too saccharine. I don't think the rasp voice suits the intro. Clean voice like Patience would have worked better. It's too long. It's way too indulgent on Axl's part, the other band members clearly think it's a drag playing it. Ask probably hates doing it now too. The Slash 'solo' isn't really a solo, like SCOM. It's just a 4 bar loop repeated. It's not even catchy. Doesn't have a chorus hook as the other hits do. If you ask the average person about it they might know of the song, but will struggle to recall how it 'goes'. Hahahahahahah! Oh man, I actually agree with most of that. My view however did soften when I heard the original piano demo included in the AFD boxset. I thought that was not bad like. But I will ALWAYS skip the proper released version. 11 hours ago, Nice Boy said: It has also been claimed that "100 million Bon Jovi fans can't be wrong". But it turns out they were all very, very wrong. I rest my case lol On fire! Hahahaha! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axlr0s37 Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 For me personally, you can't condense the UYI albums. They show a band at the height if their prime and popularity writing amazing songs. AFD is the album if you want a hard rock blast out. CD if you want to hear a band experimenting and like music that makes you think about what you are listening to. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyson Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 (edited) For me, if the track list had been as follows, choosing between Appetite or the best of the Illusions would be the hardest life choice I would EVER have to make: 1) Civil War 2)Yesterdays 3)Knocking on Heaven's Door 4)Breakdown 5)You Could Be Mine 6)Estranged 7)Don't Cry 8)November Rain 9) Coma 10) Dead Horse 11) Don't Damn Me 12) Right Next Door to Hell 13) Pretty Tied Up Edited March 23, 2021 by Tyson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdman Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 I made a CD back in the day and this was my version. 1. YCBM 2. DTJ 3. Locomotive 4. Don’t Cry (Original) 5. Don’t Damn Me 6. Estranged 7. Civil War 8. Back Off Bitch 9. Yesterdays 10. NR 11. Dead Horse 12. Coma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Comstock Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 Assuming they still would've made it 2 LP's, this would've been as great as AFD (and it would've just barely fit on a cd) Side 1: Civil War You Could Be Mine Perfect Crime Live And Let Die Side 2: Right Next Door To Hell Dust N' Bones Pretty Tied Up Don't Cry Side 3: The Garden Garden Of Eden Dead Horse Don't Damn Me Side 4: Coma Locomotive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megaguns1982 Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 I like it as it is, but it would have been much cooler to divide it up into 3 albums, and release them 2-3 years apart... add on TSI and you’ve got GNR releases in let’s say 1991 1993 1996 1999, then the 2002 version of CD. It would have been much more impressive as a back catalogue. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNROSAS Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 UYI could have been 2 Albums. UYI 1 (1991) - The Guns Album Right Next Door To Hell Back of Bitch Bad Obsession Double Talkin Jive Don't Damn Me Bad Apples Dead Horse Coma 14 Years Get in The Ring Shotgun Blues Pretty Tied Up Locomotive You Could Be Mine ☆ 3 Singles (YCBM, Dead Horse, Coma) UYI 2 (1994) - The Roses Album Live And Let Die Don't Cry You Ain't The First November Rain The Garden Civil War Yesterdays Knockin On Heavens Door Breakdown So Fine Don't Cry (Alt lyrics) Estranged ☆ 3 singles (Dont Cry, November Rain, Estranged) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNROSAS Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 39 minutes ago, megaguns1982 said: I like it as it is, but it would have been much cooler to divide it up into 3 albums, and release them 2-3 years apart... add on TSI and you’ve got GNR releases in let’s say 1991 1993 1996 1999, then the 2002 version of CD. It would have been much more impressive as a back catalogue. Post of the Year. Congrats! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankfurt93 Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 On 3/22/2021 at 10:18 PM, Towelie said: Wow, bold statement. I could perhaps agree that as a package deal, UYI1 and UYI2 could give AFD a run for its money, but I don't think either individual album matches up. they were better musicians on the UYI's, the songs were more complexed, drums more bombastic. I also never liked how AFD was speed up in mix, while UYI had the real tempo. Other than My World and Bad Obsession there is not a song I would cut out. UYI's were the albums I listened to most in my liife and I can just say as magnificent as the day they came out. Estranged, November Rain and Estranged, Dead Horse, Back off, Bad Apples, Don't damn me...Breakdown, Locomotive, Pretty tied up...Civil war, Get in the ring....Right next door, DDTJ...YCBM, Don't cry.... Seriously, you can't have a better album than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theleech Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 I like illusions as a double album but if I was to choose for one album that would flow well it would be: 1. You Could Be Mine 2. Pretty Tied Up 3. Perfect Crime 4. 14 Years 5. Estranged 6. Double Talkin Jive 7. Don’t Cry 8. Right Next Door To Hell 9. Civil War 10. Bad Obsession 11. Knockin On Heavens Door 12. November Rain There are songs I might like better that have not been added but I’m going for flow as well and this works well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
something.always Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 Bad Apples, Double Talkin' Jive and The Garden are all filler and can easily be removed. Replace those with Estranged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voxlebon Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 RIGHT NEXT DOOR... BAD OBSESSION DOUBLE TALKIN... CIVIL WAR YOU COULD BE MINE ESTRANGED LOCOMOTIVE THE GARDEN COMA DON'T CRY PERFECT CRIME NOVEMBER RAIN but above all.....a different mixing compared to the one we found ourselves in our hands in 1991 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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