Stay.Of.Execution Posted November 15, 2023 Author Share Posted November 15, 2023 Just now, invisible_rose said: SHE LOST MONEY AND CREDIT FOR WORK FFS. He's not bright enough to understand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tom2112 Posted November 15, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted November 15, 2023 13 minutes ago, DSTK said: No, it's a cultural thing now...go after cash not justice Nobody has been proved to have done anything yet, its just the typical money makes it OK route that makes it look like a cash grab Well she's owed money for her services. There's no cash grab. Just a "I tried the quiet route, and was rebuffed for several years now I have no choice but to air this dirty laundry". Had he been a smart man, he would have paid her off years ago and hoped she didn't ever talk of his over misconduct. Not paying her is bad, not paying her AND sexually harrassing is a whole other level. Time will tell whether gnr handle this properly or not, but new management would be the best course of action. What else are they not doing professionally? And justice in this instance would be financial compensation. She's hardly going to settle for Fernando saying "sorry" with his smarmy attitude. Hit them where it hurts is either jail time (which he won't get) or his wallet, which he almost certainly will have to open. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackstar Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 (edited) 13 minutes ago, invisible_rose said: SHE LOST MONEY AND CREDIT FOR WORK FFS. I guess he meant for the sexual harassment accusations. It's true that in the US legal system civil law is "where it's at", and that's partially because of the mentality of avoiding "unnecessary" public spending (if I'm not mistaken, criminal cases are state funded). But it's also because cases of this nature (sexual harassment that doesn't involve any heavier sexual or physical abuse) are hard to prove "beyond reasonable doubt" as required in a criminal court, whereas there's not such strict requirements in civil cases. Edited November 15, 2023 by Blackstar 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outofgascar Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 2 hours ago, Axls_Moustache_Rules said: I think most fans should be laser focused on how Axl responds..he can't let this shit fly in his own house. Are you listening to me, Mr. Guns N’ Roses man? That guy…. *points to Fernando* …..GONE!! 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invisible_rose Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Blackstar said: I guess he meant for the sexual harassment accusations. It's true that in the US legal system civil law is "where it's at", and that's partially because of the mentality of avoiding "unnecessary" public spending (if I'm not mistaken, criminal cases are state funded). But it's also because cases of this nature (sexual harassment that doesn't involve any heavier sexual or physical abuse) are hard to prove "beyond reasonable doubt" as required in a criminal court, whereas there's not such strict requirements in civil cases. Yep, I do understand that, and appreciate the view some have around it - however, Kat is sighting the harassment as part of the reason she didn't get paid/credit etc etc. She isn't going all out again Fernando for sexual harassment. And as you quite rightly say, advances in text are going to be significantly less serious to the point it wouldn't even likely to get to court in a criminal case - unless there was an element of stalking or threat of violence etc. Either way, the justice in this sense, is that Kat (if allegations are true), gets full credit, reimbursement and compensation for loss of earnings. Which is exactly why this is a contractual, civil case. It would be holy inappropriate for this case to go to a criminal court from the little we have seen, IMO. Edited November 15, 2023 by invisible_rose 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leandro Jose Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 55 minutes ago, invisible_rose said: SHE LOST MONEY AND CREDIT FOR WORK FFS. I was talking about the sexual stuff. If they messed up their contract with her, of course they have to pay. The copyright stuff is simply no news. People are interested in the sexual haressment claims. 55 minutes ago, Stay.Of.Execution said: He's not bright enough to understand. Apparently you are very bad in text interpretation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweersa Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 So, never agree to a movie night at Fernando's place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davesaabat Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 What if...the monster Is fernando 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmo Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 Wow I can't help but hope this puts TB out of the picture. With proper management, this band can, maybe, just maybe, function properly? Who knows? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Italian girl Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 4 minutes ago, davesaabat said: What if...the monster Is fernando surely it is not referred to him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Rindmelon Posted November 15, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted November 15, 2023 6 minutes ago, Sweersa said: So, never agree to a movie night at Fernando's place. especially if he want's to watch Jungle Book 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stay.Of.Execution Posted November 15, 2023 Author Share Posted November 15, 2023 Planet of the apes must be the greatest porn movie for Creepnando. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vloors Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 2 minutes ago, Stay.Of.Execution said: Planet of the apes must be the greatest porn movie for Creepnando. Or Gorillas in the mist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dummy Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 11 minutes ago, davesaabat said: What if...the monster is fernando Cuban skies is about Cuba Fernando is from mexico Mexico is close to Cuba Cuban skies is about fernando 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davesaabat Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 Perhaps...the general(mánager) is a monster .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Bob Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 14 minutes ago, Rindmelon said: especially if he want's to watch Jungle Book Or Ace Ventura 2 Remember that last scene with the bad guy and the gorilla? Fernando goes crazy with that 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweersa Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 23 minutes ago, Rindmelon said: especially if he want's to watch Jungle Book Or Mighty Joe Young King Kong would be trouble too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknroll41 Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 Wait the court docs state that fernando only became manager in 2016. Wasn’t it way earlier than that? Who was manager from 2011-2016? Beta? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillConnor_1982 Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 46 minutes ago, Sweersa said: So, never agree to a movie night at Fernando's place. He would make you watch all the “Planet of the Apes” movies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superloconoriega Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 this is obviously bad for any band but specially for GNR who constantly get hate for their lyrics and Axl's past behavior against women. "Guns N Roses sued for sexual harassment" is an easy headline in the sense that people are already inclined to have that image for the band and this only increases that perception. Would be a good moment for them to execute action and fire Fernando, but -like many others have pointed out- they're literally Axl's family I doubt that business scheme is going to change anytime soon. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajyoli Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 I think Fernando just resigned am I right? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stay.Of.Execution Posted November 15, 2023 Author Share Posted November 15, 2023 1 minute ago, ajyoli said: I think Fernando just resigned am I right? ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingcanyon Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 2 minutes ago, ajyoli said: I think Fernando just resigned am I right? idk please tell us more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwalker19 Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 2 minutes ago, ajyoli said: I think Fernando just resigned am I right? Resigned or re-signed? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allwaystired Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 (edited) He's gone?! Wow. If that's true this is bigger than we thought...... Where is this info coming from? Edited November 15, 2023 by allwaystired Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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