Covid-19 Thread

[LAGuns87]

15 hours ago, Sweersa said:

Wouldn't the antibodies in him after he battles covid (assuming he survives, I hope he does) be better than any vaccine?

COVID-19 is probably the best thing to happen to Pfizer since Viagra.

T-cells not antibodies. Antibodies are just the temporary reaction. While the antibodies will disappear after a while the t-cells will not. They remain for years, possibly life. And they give you immunity to any SARS virus, if that's what you got, including the one from 10 years ago.

Vaccine doesn't give you t-cells as it doesn't activate your immune system in the same way (you need to be actually sick).

[alfierose]

In the UK a lot of over 40s had 2x Astra Zeneca so for a booster we're getting one of the MRNA vaccines. A mix and match approach which early data suggests gives more benefit because AZ and Pfizer/Moderna work differently. We'll have to see how it holds up to the newer variant. I had quite a strong reaction to the AZ vaccines (less so the 2nd one) but not much to the Pfizer booster I had last weekend.

[alfierose]

16 hours ago, Sweersa said:

Wouldn't the antibodies in him after he battles covid (assuming he survives, I hope he does) be better than any vaccine?

COVID-19 is probably the best thing to happen to Pfizer since Viagra.

Apparently erectile dysfunction is a symptom of long covid/ covid recovery for those who have been quite ill. So a double jackpot for Pfizer there!

[SoulMonster]

3 hours ago, LAGuns87 said:

T-cells not antibodies. Antibodies are just the temporary reaction. While the antibodies will disappear after a while the t-cells will not. They remain for years, possibly life. And they give you immunity to any SARS virus, if that's what you got, including the one from 10 years ago.

Vaccine doesn't give you t-cells as it doesn't activate your immune system in the same way (you need to be actually sick).

- There is no evidence suggesting getting infected with SARS-CoV-2 means you get immune for life. On the contrary, there is evidence suggesting the immunity is transient. Do antibody positive healthcare workers have lower SARS-CoV-2 infection rates than antibody negative healthcare workers? Large multi-centre prospective cohort study (the SIREN study), England: June to November 2020 | medRxiv

- The vaccines gives you T cells, too, just like being infected. T-Cells & COVID-19: Penn Study Shows Robust T-Cell Response to Vaccine (pennmedicine.org)

So yeah. you are wrong.

[SoulMonster]

20 hours ago, Sweersa said:

Wouldn't the antibodies in him after he battles covid (assuming he survives, I hope he does) be better than any vaccine?

It seems like being infected with Covid-19 results in a longer-lasting and stronger immune response to future infections, than vaccines. In short, natural infection gives a better immune system (towards Covid-19) than vaccines. And getting vaccinated with one dose after having been infected, is speculated to offer the best protection. 

But this really shouldn't play into consideration since infection poses so much more risk than being vaccinated. 

[Chris1989]

I had covid in May of 2020. It was a really unpleasant 10 days, and I actually messaged some of my friends that I actually thought I wasn't going to get better.

 

Spoiler, I did get better, but not a lot better. For the last 18 months I have had every long covid symptom except erectile dysfunction.

 

Every 2 months or so, I get really bad chest infections, and they come with full fever and exhaustion like a severe flu.

 

10 days ago it led to me being hospitalised as I had developed pneumonia. It's mental how this has all come from one bout of illness.

[SoulMonster]

37 minutes ago, Chris1989 said:

I had covid in May of 2020. It was a really unpleasant 10 days, and I actually messaged some of my friends that I actually thought I wasn't going to get better.

 

Spoiler, I did get better, but not a lot better. For the last 18 months I have had every long covid symptom except erectile dysfunction.

 

Every 2 months or so, I get really bad chest infections, and they come with full fever and exhaustion like a severe flu.

 

10 days ago it led to me being hospitalised as I had developed pneumonia. It's mental how this has all come from one bout of illness.

I am sorry to hear this. And if I am not entirely mistaken, you are a very fit young man. Hope you will recover fully soon. 

[SoulMonster]

9 hours ago, LAGuns87 said:

T-cells not antibodies. Antibodies are just the temporary reaction. While the antibodies will disappear after a while the t-cells will not. They remain for years, possibly life. And they give you immunity to any SARS virus, if that's what you got, including the one from 10 years ago.

Vaccine doesn't give you t-cells as it doesn't activate your immune system in the same way (you need to be actually sick).

It would be very interesting to know from where you got this information. I assume you read it somewhere and then copied it or wrote from recollection. Would you mind letting us know what your source is for the vaccines not resulting in attenuated T cells? 

I also now noticed you also claim T cells from SARS-CoV-2 infection gives you immunity towards all other kinds of SARS infection, and vice versa. This is also a gross exaggeration. Firstly, you don't get "immune", as in perfect protection, secondly, we don't know to what extent there is crossimmunity with the SARS viruses. 

[Chris1989]

7 hours ago, SoulMonster said:

I am sorry to hear this. And if I am not entirely mistaken, you are a very fit young man. Hope you will recover fully soon. 

Used to be! I've gone from triathlons to very little - just weights. Cardio isn't my friend at the moment as I need to keep fairly light levels - if I go strenuous, my body either struggles, or I get ill again.

[SoulMonster]

7 minutes ago, Chris1989 said:

Used to be! I've gone from triathlons to very little - just weights. Cardio isn't my friend at the moment as I need to keep fairly light levels - if I go strenuous, my body either struggles, or I get ill again.

That will hopefully pass and you can get back to working out the way you want again 

[Scream of the Butterfly]

On 12/8/2021 at 11:46 AM, Dean said:

I had my pfizer booster on Sunday, glad to get it out the way but my joints in both my ankle and lower back is killing me. Apparently it's reactive arthritis according to our beloved Google and has been a known symptom following the Pfizer booster. It wasn't too bad yesterday, but I can't put much weight down on my foot this morning.

How are you doing now? Do you still have any symptoms?

[downzy]

19 hours ago, Chris1989 said:

I had covid in May of 2020. It was a really unpleasant 10 days, and I actually messaged some of my friends that I actually thought I wasn't going to get better.

 

Spoiler, I did get better, but not a lot better. For the last 18 months I have had every long covid symptom except erectile dysfunction.

 

Every 2 months or so, I get really bad chest infections, and they come with full fever and exhaustion like a severe flu.

 

10 days ago it led to me being hospitalised as I had developed pneumonia. It's mental how this has all come from one bout of illness.

I’m sorry to hear that.

I’ve been reading how they’re working on longer-term remedies for people suffering from long-covid.

I was dealing with a relatively mild chest infection for much of October and November. It was likely a mild case of pneumonia as I had several tests for COVID-19 and all came back negative. It’s not a fun feeling.  Never dealt with fevers but it curtailed my ability to run my daily 5k. 

[Dazey]

22 hours ago, Chris1989 said:

Spoiler, I did get better, but not a lot better. For the last 18 months I have had every long covid symptom except erectile dysfunction.

I heard lying was also a symptom. 😂

3 hours ago, downzy said:

Never dealt with fevers but it curtailed my ability to run my daily 5k. 

I think I’ve had long covid for the last 42 years. 😂

[Dean]

4 hours ago, Scream of the Butterfly said:

How are you doing now? Do you still have any symptoms?

I’m back winning now, my ankle is much better and my back seems to have fully recovered! Thanks for asking

[Scream of the Butterfly]

44 minutes ago, Dean said:

I’m back winning now, my ankle is much better and my back seems to have fully recovered! Thanks for asking

That's good to hear!

I'm still totally undecided about the vaccine. Such an agonizing choice to make when whatever you choose you could end up sick and with regrets. But I suppose most of us will be fine vaccinated or not.

[dontdamnmeuyi2015]

My daughter got her second covid shot. I got my booster.

Now everyone in my family has gotten the covid vaccine and booster too.

I'm pretty sure we might need another booster by spring, but not a surprise. I'm sure just like the flu vaccine, we'll need a covid vaccine every year from now on too.

My mom is debating whether to get a shingles shot. 

[Gavin82]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-59625432

Bet Bojo is happy today only a pic of him at the Xmas party playing quiz last year with NO SD lol

[downzy]

On 12/5/2021 at 12:12 PM, PatrickS77 said:

I believe this thread is not about seat belt wearing. So I just leave it at that.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-is-the-case-for-vaccine-mandates-like-the-case-for-seatbelt-laws-no/

“Did you know that half the people killed in traffic accidents in any given year were wearing their seatbelts at the time? I’ve been doing my own research, and it’s true.

The obvious conclusion from this shocking statistic: seatbelts don’t save lives. Why, you’re just as likely to be killed with your seatbelt on as without!

Obvious, and obviously wrong. It would be true, if the victims were as likely to be wearing seatbelts as not. But in fact more than 90 per cent of all passenger-vehicle occupants are seatbelt-wearers; of those involved in accidents, upward of 80 per cent.

If seatbelt-wearers outnumber non-wearers by four to one, but account for roughly the same number of deaths, it suggests seatbelt-wearers are about one-fourth as likely to die in an accident as non-wearers. That shocking statistic turns out to be not so shocking as all that.

This little tutorial in basic mathematics is for the benefit of the apparently growing numbers of vaccine opponents, or at least opponents of vaccine mandates (though in truth there is a high degree of overlap between the two). These include some of our most prominent citizens, which only goes to show that some of our most prominent citizens are incapable of basic maths.

You see them swapping anecdotes on social media: a headline here, an excerpt from a study there. Sometimes the story is about the seemingly large percentage – 30 per cent! Forty per cent! Even 50 per cent! – of some group or other of COVID victims who had been vaccinated. No kidding? Recall our little tutorial. If 90 per cent of the adult public have been fully vaccinated, then even if the vaccinated account for half of those infected it still means the unvaccinated are nine times as likely to be infected as the vaccinated.

Or look! Some countries that have high vaccination rates still have high numbers of cases! Yes, that’s true. But all sorts of things could account for that: Vaccine rates are only one of many predictors of infection rates. So far as the two are related, moreover, the direction of causality is unclear. It’s not surprising to find some countries with high infection rates also have high vaccination rates – the point of getting people vaccinated, after all, is to bring the infection rates down.

Conversely, some countries that had very low infection rates through the first year of the pandemic have also been slow to roll out vaccination campaigns: there just wasn’t the same sense of urgency. Finally, some countries with very high early vaccination rates, such as Israel and the United States, let down their guard too quickly, relaxing the restrictions that had been preventing the disease from spreading and allowing it to rebound – mostly among the unvaccinated.

Sometimes it is enough for opponents that any vaccinated person could have caught the disease. Here’s Gwyn Morgan, for example – former president of EnCana Corp., member of the Order of Canada etc., etc. – in the C2C Journal, citing “increasing reports that fully vaccinated persons are getting and transmitting the virus” as “demolishing the very foundation” of those “divisive and draconian” vaccine mandates. The evidence?

Ten players on the Ottawa Senators tested positive. A COVID outbreak on a Canadian Forces base. Not to mention “Canadian rock legend Bryan Adams!” All were vaccinated. All got infected. But no vaccine has ever been 100 per cent effective, and no one has ever claimed they were. They don’t need to be. Past a certain point, enough people have enough immunity that the virus cannot find enough new hosts to replicate itself.

Immunity, it is true, can come from previous infection as well as vaccination. But infection carries risks, not only of serious disease and death, but of providing the virus fresh opportunities to mutate. By contrast, what are the risks of vaccination? They are not zero – again, no one ever said they were. But they are negligible. The Public Health Agency of Canada, like other public-health agencies, has been keeping track of all “adverse events” following vaccinations against COVID. These are, note, following vaccination – they are not necessarily because of it. But even if they were, the numbers are vanishingly small.

As of Nov. 26, the latest date for which figures are available, they totalled 27,747 – out of about 60 million doses administered. Of these, just 6,443 were classified as “serious.” That’s roughly 1 in 9,300. Even if we attributed every one of those to the vaccine, we’d have to compare the result with the risk of “adverse events” from the disease. The death rate from COVID, for example, relative to population, is nearly 200 times as high as that following vaccination.

To have reservations about a new vaccine in advance of its administration is understandable. But over the past year more than eight billion doses have been given worldwide: the largest trial in the history of humanity. If there was some hidden danger lurking within, it would have shown itself by now. All vaccines have side effects, but there has never been a vaccine whose side effects showed up more than two months after administration.

The statistical evidence could not be clearer: Vaccines save lives. In Ontario, for example (the figures are representative of other jurisdictions), an unvaccinated person is currently 4.5 times more likely to be infected than a vaccinated person; 14 times more likely to be hospitalized; and 30 times more likely to be put in intensive care. It turns out vaccines are even more of a lifesaver than seatbelts.

But here’s the thing. A crankish libertarian – I count myself as one – might understand that seatbelts save lives, and still object to being required to wear one, on personal freedom grounds. That’s perhaps tenable when it comes to seatbelt laws, since the only life in peril from not wearing one is your own. But vaccines not only make it less likely that you will be infected, suffer or die: They also make it less likely that you will infect others, to suffer and die – and infect still more people – in their turn. (And yes, despite what you might have heard, the evidence is also clear that vaccines reduce transmission rates.) This is hardly a theoretical concern, in the midst of a pandemic that has already claimed nearly 30,000 Canadian lives.

So if anything the case for vaccine mandates is even stronger than it is for seatbelt laws. The cost to personal freedom – a jab in the arm – is slight. The risk of adverse side-effects is negligible. The savings in human lives is provably enormous. How on earth could so many otherwise sensible people have persuaded themselves otherwise?”

[dontdamnmeuyi2015]

Many states in the US are seeing a surge in covid cases. Most of whom are not vaccinated. I've never heard of so many people who won't get a vaccine to keep them healthy. Many people are still dying and some hospitals are still over run.

My whole family is vaccinated now including getting the booster. I'm so happy my daughter got her second shot. Now maybe I can relax for a bit especially with Christmas and her birthday coming up.

My mom always got my brother and I are vaccinations and I got my daughter hers too. Matter of fact, she's due for more vaccines coming up in January. I'm glad there are vaccines for most childhood diseases because some of them really made you very sick.

I still can't figure out why many people are still holding out? To me it's just common sense. You want to stay well, get a vaccine.

it's not taking away anyone's freedom. It's making you stay well so you can enjoy the freedoms you have. 

This won't be the last pandemic in our lifetime, so we need to get on board and do what's right.

So many countries around the world are still in the middle of this virus, so unless we all get vaccinated we won't ever be safe enough and masks will be a way of life. Which honestly I don't mind anymore. It's helped me stay well and not have any sinus infections in over 2 years.

[DurhamGirl]

I have just read an article in the Guardian that states the amount of tickets being sold for music concerts has lessened by quite a lot recently, in some cases %40 due to covid.  Do you think the arrival of Omicron will have an effect on Guns ticket sales?

[WhazUp]

It is hard to say, I think it will all come down to waiting a bit longer to see the bigger scope of what this strain's tendencies are - based on where we are now I can't see it being a huge panic rush to not go out such as the Delta strain, but I still think that we should all be careful and look out for each other, employing proper mitigation methods

[Nintari]

Will it? Possibly. Should it? No. Because even the world's most respected scientists are now in agreement that there is no "end" to this. You either get your vaccines and safely get COVID over and over again until your system adjusts and it becomes just another corona virus (IE the common cold) like the few that have already been circulating since time out of mind, or you don't and roll the dice with your virgin immune system until you either die, or arrive at the same place.

You can cancel or postpone things until the end of time, but COVID is here to stay.

Edited December 12, 2021 by Nintari

[jamillos]

7 hours ago, Nintari said:

Will it? Possibly. Should it? No. Because even the world's most respected scientists are now in agreement that there is no "end" to this. You either get your vaccines and safely get COVID over and over again until your system adjusts and it becomes just another corona virus (IE the common cold) like the few that have already been circulating since time out of mind, or you don't and roll the dice with your virgin immune system until you either die, or arrive at the same place.

You can cancel or postpone things until the end of time, but COVID is here to stay.

You're absolutely right, but you can't say such things to the Covidists of the 7th Jab; if you do, you're a conspiracy theorist and a tinfoil hat, since the last booster will definitely give you super-immunity and is a solution to everything. And if not, then the next one. Or the following one. 

I hope future generations will see this.

 

[DefinitelyInThisLifetime]

Covid is the new Flu. It’s just going to be around.

That being said, if ticket sales aren’t great I bet the press releases will not say it’s because they’re churning out the same boring shite for the bajillionth time with “hey this is a new song” while playing some ridiculous cover like “hickory dickory dock” 

They’ll blame the covid.

[axlvai]

If everybody obey they goverment and get the passport to live like we always had... and keep that stimulus and still get credit if we are broke. The answer is no.

My hands are tied 😂

Edited December 13, 2021 by axlvai