BangoSkank Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 17 hours ago, estrangedtwat said: The shows in Europe have had scathing reviews of his vocals. We've been bitching about it on the forums for years, but the mainstream media has mostly only had positive things to say about the tour since they reunited. Now, for the first time, it's not just bitter losers on an internet forum complaining about his voice. It's actual "journalists." I think that shit gets in his head. He's been well aware of the fans criticism of it for a while. He mentioned as much in the China Exchange interview. I agree it might get in his head (or it used to), but I think he's been aware of this one and knows there's nothing he can do about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swirkh Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 7 hours ago, waxl1974 said: Looking at the GNR planes flight history. It flew out to Geneva on Sunday and came back later that day. Whether Axl took a flight to go see a throat specialist to get a better diagnosis? Anyone have any thoughts on this? What's the REG of the plane ? I'm almost positive they don't have an "exclusive" plane this time around, they just use "air taxi", so the company flies them on whatever routes they ordered, but in the meantime the plane goes to fly somewhere else for other clients. It costs a ton of money for a plane to just sit around, and from what we see this tour is all about cutting costs (simple stage design, no pyro etc.). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Blackstar Posted July 5, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 5, 2022 This poster on reddit (another subreddit, not GnR) claims to work at Hotspur Stadium (?). Could be just bullshit (his post is in response to Richard's comments) https://www.reddit.com/r/coys/comments/vrv8i7/guns_n_roses_guitaristnot_slash_thoughts_on/ 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waxl1974 Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, swirkh said: What's the REG of the plane ? I'm almost positive they don't have an "exclusive" plane this time around, they just use "air taxi", so the company flies them on whatever routes they ordered, but in the meantime the plane goes to fly somewhere else for other clients. It costs a ton of money for a plane to just sit around, and from what we see this tour is all about cutting costs (simple stage design, no pyro etc.) looking on flight radar it is showing next flight for tomorrow evening flying from Glasgow to Munich Edited July 5, 2022 by waxl1974 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jw224 Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 16 minutes ago, BangoSkank said: He's been well aware of the fans criticism of it for a while. He mentioned as much in the China Exchange interview. I agree it might get in his head (or it used to), but I think he's been aware of this one and knows there's nothing he can do about it. I don't really get why people keep saying there's nothing he can do about it. I guess if you think Axl is actually the professional some seem to think he is and is actively doing vocal exercises and seeing a vocal coach, then we could say that. I really don't think that's the case though. People keep saying it's too late for that now. If it is, who's fault is that? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sausagebrain Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 3 minutes ago, Blackstar said: This poster on reddit (another subreddit, not GnR) claims to work at Hotspur Stadium (?). Could be just bullshit (his post is in response to Richard's comments) https://www.reddit.com/r/coys/comments/vrv8i7/guns_n_roses_guitaristnot_slash_thoughts_on/ Thanks for sharing. However, I was in the upper tier, and the sound was rubbish there as well (muddy, with hardly any guitars audible for the first few songs). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BangoSkank Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 5 minutes ago, Jw224 said: I don't really get why people keep saying there's nothing he can do about it. I guess if you think Axl is actually the professional some seem to think he is and is actively doing vocal exercises and seeing a vocal coach, then we could say that. I really don't think that's the case though. People keep saying it's too late for that now. If it is, who's fault is that? From what I understand it hurts him to sing that way. And I honestly don't know if it's because he didn't take good care of his voice or if it's because it's just an unnatural way to sing with rasp. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sosso Posted July 5, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 5, 2022 15 minutes ago, Blackstar said: This poster on reddit (another subreddit, not GnR) claims to work at Hotspur Stadium (?). Could be just bullshit (his post is in response to Richard's comments) https://www.reddit.com/r/coys/comments/vrv8i7/guns_n_roses_guitaristnot_slash_thoughts_on/ He just wants to save the stadiums reputation 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Georgina Arriaga Posted July 5, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 5, 2022 14 minutes ago, Blackstar said: This poster on reddit (another subreddit, not GnR) claims to work at Hotspur Stadium (?). Could be just bullshit (his post is in response to Richard's comments) https://www.reddit.com/r/coys/comments/vrv8i7/guns_n_roses_guitaristnot_slash_thoughts_on/ He said there were not soundcheck, but they had soundcheck the day before. Meegans was there. And she put on Instagram. The band soundcheck the day before 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Politania Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 10 minutes ago, BangoSkank said: From what I understand it hurts him to sing that way. And I honestly don't know if it's because he didn't take good care of his voice or if it's because it's just an unnatural way to sing with rasp. Once i heard as someone said that the way which Axl's singing- his signature voice, is killer for his voice's cords and he shouldn't sing this way. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stay.Of.Execution Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 20 minutes ago, waxl1974 said: 9H-ZAZ looking on flight radar it is showing next flight for tomorrow evening flying from Glasgow to Munich It did until a few mins ago, now the flight to Munich isn't displayed anymore. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackstar Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 4 minutes ago, Georgina Arriaga said: He said there were not soundcheck, but they had soundcheck the day before. Meegans was there. And she put on Instagram. The band soundcheck the day before Yes. I suppose the poster on reddit is talking about the day of the show. There is usually a soundcheck the day before the show and another one on show day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post SoulMonster Posted July 5, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 5, 2022 22 minutes ago, Jw224 said: I don't really get why people keep saying there's nothing he can do about it. I guess if you think Axl is actually the professional some seem to think he is and is actively doing vocal exercises and seeing a vocal coach, then we could say that. I really don't think that's the case though. People keep saying it's too late for that now. If it is, who's fault is that? I find it ludicrous that someone can think Axl doesn't do vocal exercises yet has still been able to sing like he has sung. You really think you can maintain such a range without taking proper care of your voice? Besides, people say he is religious about vocal exercises. As for vocal coaching, I don't think any professional singer goes to vocal coaches all the time. You visit a coach when there is something that needs to be fixed, when there is an issue, when you need to learn something new, and then you keep using those exercises and tips that you are given in your daily life, like specific warm up and cool down exercises. You don't necessarily have to visit your vocal coach every week, similarly to most people not visiting a physical therapist every week either but get an exercise regime they can work on on their own. And we know Axl has been using vocal coaches when needed throughout his career, like when he took the AC/DC job. As for whether it's too late. It is not too late to keep maintaining the voice at 60, I would think it is even more important than when younger. When people say it's too late it is probably in regards to fixing the voice to a level where it was 10-20-30 years ago. You can only do so much to battle ageing. Your body deteriorates as you age, at individual levels, and you can only countereffect this to some extent. But again, the fact that Axl has been able to have such a strenuous singing career these last 10 years, with so many shows at 3+ hours, with very little affect on his range and still keeping good sustain and control, is clearly evidence of him taking care of his voice. That he now may have gone too far, strained his voice too much, and suffer the effects of it, is not evidence for him not being a professional singer who takes care of his instrument, but a testament to the toll of singing like he do at his age. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 Regarding whether Axl's original singing style is hurtful for the voice: I have heard quite a few professional singers comment that Axl's early styles, like 80's and 90s, were damaging to the voice. basically, he didn't sing properly. I believe that his voice in the 00s was a reaction to that, a realization that he needed to sing differently to be able to keep doing it, and only use mask like "rasp" sparingly. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexpro Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 38 minutes ago, Blackstar said: This poster on reddit (another subreddit, not GnR) claims to work at Hotspur Stadium (?). Could be just bullshit (his post is in response to Richard's comments) https://www.reddit.com/r/coys/comments/vrv8i7/guns_n_roses_guitaristnot_slash_thoughts_on/ Interesting part re staff dashing to IKEA to set a bed for Axl. There's indeed a huge IKEA store just down the road from the stadium (5 min by car) and it's open until 10pm, so this part looks believable. I can see the stadium staff pushing trolley down the aisle: "So, what sheets should we get for Axl? Plain or stripes?" Imagine the joy of having to put together this flat pack bed on Friday night... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Politania Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 14 minutes ago, SoulMonster said: I find it ludicrous that someone can think Axl doesn't do vocal exercises yet has still been able to sing like he has sung. You really think you can maintain such a range without taking proper care of your voice? Besides, people say he is religious about vocal exercises. As for vocal coaching, I don't think any professional singer goes to vocal coaches all the time. You visit a coach when there is something that needs to be fixed, when there is an issue, when you need to learn something new, and then you keep using those exercises and tips that you are given in your daily life, like specific warm up and cool down exercises. You don't necessarily have to visit your vocal coach every week, similarly to most people not visiting a physical therapist every week either but get an exercise regime they can work on on their own. And we know Axl has been using vocal coaches when needed throughout his career, like when he took the AC/DC job. As for whether it's too late. It is not too late to keep maintaining the voice at 60, I would think it is even more important than when younger. When people say it's too late it is probably in regards to fixing the voice to a level where it was 10-20-30 years ago. You can only do so much to battle ageing. Your body deteriorates as you age, at individual levels, and you can only countereffect this to some extent. But again, the fact that Axl has been able to have such a strenuous singing career these last 10 years, with so many shows at 3+ hours, with very little affect on his range and still keeping good sustain and control, is clearly evidence of him taking care of his voice. That he now may have gone too far, strained his voice too much, and suffer the effects of it, is not evidence for him not being a professional singer who takes care of his instrument, but a testament to the toll of singing like he do at his age. Out of likes😀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swirkh Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 44 minutes ago, waxl1974 said: 9H-ZAZ looking on flight radar it is showing next flight for tomorrow evening flying from Glasgow to Munich Actually it doesn't fly anywhere besides locations of GNR gigs, so it must be 100% at their disposal. It spent 1 hour in Geneva 2 days ago and came back to London, then flew to Glasgow on the next day. Looks like it either dropped someone off or picked someone up from Switzerland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNR_RNR Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 53 minutes ago, Blackstar said: This poster on reddit (another subreddit, not GnR) claims to work at Hotspur Stadium (?). Could be just bullshit (his post is in response to Richard's comments) https://www.reddit.com/r/coys/comments/vrv8i7/guns_n_roses_guitaristnot_slash_thoughts_on/ And then everyone clapped Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Politania Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 3 minutes ago, swirkh said: Actually it doesn't fly anywhere besides locations of GNR gigs, so it must be 100% at their disposal. It spent 1 hour in Geneva 2 days ago and came back to London, then flew to Glasgow on the next day. Looks like it either dropped someone off or picked someone up from Switzerland. Well, I imagine how bad Axl must felt that day to not be able to go to hotel room. Maybe they sent the plane to get a doctor- specialist from there? (pure speculation) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 (edited) Many people don't like Axl's unmasked voice in the high register, the "mickey voice", that's fine, I don't particularly like it either. But then some people think Axl sings like that because he hasn't been taking care of his voice and hence he can't sing with rasp anymore. They listen to his vocals and they think he sings badly because they don't like the mickey all the while not acknowledging that he still displays very good control, range and sustain. They fail to see the skills and only focus on the quality of the tones which they happen to not enjoy. It's like Miles Kennedy (or whatever he's called) - awesome singer but I can't stand his voice. I believe Axl sings like that because it is the safest and most sustainable way he can reach those high notes without hurting his voice. It is actually a consequence of taking care of his voice, not the opposite. Edited July 5, 2022 by SoulMonster 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swirkh Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 17 minutes ago, Alexpro said: Interesting part re staff dashing to IKEA to set a bed for Axl. There's indeed a huge IKEA store just down the road from the stadium (5 min by car) and it's open until 10pm, so this part looks believable. I can see the stadium staff pushing trolley down the aisle: "So, what sheets should we get for Axl? Plain or stripes?" Imagine the joy of having to put together this flat pack bed on Friday night... I don't think that reddit post is believable at all. The part about soundchecks is BS. I find it hard to believe Axl had to sleep in away team's dressing room also. This is a brand new stadium that was pretty expensive to build, so I'm sure it has a lot of nicely outfitted rooms/ VIP lounges with sofas, other amenities etc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnr5 Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 If its on Reddit is likely true 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allwaystired Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 16 minutes ago, swirkh said: I don't think that reddit post is believable at all. The part about soundchecks is BS. I find it hard to believe Axl had to sleep in away team's dressing room also. This is a brand new stadium that was pretty expensive to build, so I'm sure it has a lot of nicely outfitted rooms/ VIP lounges with sofas, other amenities etc. He definitely slept in the stadium- he said so on stage- and I imagine the changing rooms are the most out of the way and quiet, so it has plausibility I think..... 1 hour ago, Blackstar said: This poster on reddit (another subreddit, not GnR) claims to work at Hotspur Stadium (?). Could be just bullshit (his post is in response to Richard's comments) https://www.reddit.com/r/coys/comments/vrv8i7/guns_n_roses_guitaristnot_slash_thoughts_on/ Reddit, so I'm inclined to cynicism.....but bits of that clearly have truth to it, so wouldn't rule it out as bullshit out of hand. Strange scenario all round. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stay.Of.Execution Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Stay.Of.Execution said: It did until a few mins ago, now the flight to Munich isn't displayed anymore. Their flight to Munich is now at 1 pm. Before it said 5 pm Edited July 5, 2022 by Stay.Of.Execution Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fabrph5 Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 21 hours ago, GNR_RNR said: Going to be very bad publicity wise imo, also should have been announced yesterday. Still not officially announced. But yes I agree better than them struggling through it if Axl is unwell, hope he's feeling better soon. Can't help but feel he pushed his voice too hard due to the sound issues in London and blew his voice. Although RHCP cancelled Glasgow due to illness and one of them was side of stage the other night people get sick and call off, it was bound to happen eventually. Its disappointing, but should not piss anyone off. That is the risk you take every time you buy a ticket to any show Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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