Sausagebrain Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 I'm catching myself constantly humming the main melody of 'The General' to myself. That's a good thing, right? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flayer Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 Perhaps these originated as separate pieces back when they were demos, but Axl felt enough of a connection between them to decide they belonged together as one. If that were the case, it must have been before the orchestral backing was recorded, since they’re both drawing on one common piece. On a side note, when I was a kid I always thought Queen’s We Will Rock You and We Are the Champions were two halves of the same song, since they were invariably played back to back on the radio, and always in the same order. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucketdude_666 Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 Still feels off the first leak Drums are out of place in several place, how can nobody feels that? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangerInThisTown Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 (edited) 31 minutes ago, CaioAKR said: It wouldn't be unprecedented. Megadeth does this a lot, see Holy Wars... The Punishment Due and the likes. Also Pink Floyd with the Another Brick In The Wall three parts and The Happiest Days Of Our Lives and the Time/Breathe Reprise thingy. There's many cases of two songs that got interwoven as one. Part 1 of Another Brick In The Wall and Part 2 etc. are seperate songs. They are labeled as seperate songs with Part 1, Part 2, and they are also registered like that, seperately, on the songwriter registration sites. In the case here, it's officially clearly just registered as ONE single song, not The General 1, The General 2 etc. I haven't heard the Megadeth song, is it really 2 songs with each their own chorus verses bridge solos? I somehow don't believe that. These here are 2 fully completed, realized songs following each other, and are officially recognized as one song on both the vinyl and on the songwriting registration. Edited October 28, 2023 by StrangerInThisTown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhazUp Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 (edited) I tend to think of The General / Monsters as something like Holiday with Green Day - two distinctly different songs meant to be linked right after each other for a singular whole. Not necessarily one singular song, but one singular journey The Elton John one though fitting in terms of two different compositions linked together but this time for one long singular song Edited October 28, 2023 by WhazUp 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimiRose Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 2 hours ago, slash23579 said: come on there is no way it’s just one song, i don’t care how it’s registered. both songs have a full verse/chorus/verse/chorus/bridge/chorus structure with an intro and outro and with different tones and tempos and nothing that connects the two. i do not think it is meant to be viewed as one 9 minute song at all. i also think the vinyl will only have The General, not Monsters, and that these leaks came from a different source Nothing that connects the two? are you serious? Between you and cosmo i just can't anymore. fucking hell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangerInThisTown Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 4 minutes ago, WhazUp said: I tend to think of The General / Monsters as something like these two - two distinctly different songs meant to be linked right after each other for a singular whole. Not necessarily one singular song, but one singular journey You might be right in the musical train of thought here, but what makes no sense is that these songs are billed that way. The General is, officially, just that, the one song title. It doesn't even mention Monsters on the vinyl, it's just Perhaps/The General. And on the registration site it's also labeled as just one songtitle, albeit a different one, but still, just 1, The General and Monsters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metalavenger99 Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 On the Beatles' original White album there is a hidden unlisted song between Cry Baby Cry and Revolution 9 known as Can you take my back... it doesn't have anything to do with the original structure of Cry Baby Cry, its just there as part of the track even tho is a different song, i'm sure some of you are familiar with that. So... That's probably how these are gonna be packed together i guess? You play The General and then Monsters starts playing right after it? As a non listed, non independently credited track? Maybe the actual vinyl lists them as a one song called "The General and Monsters" and we are gonna have a weird silent moment between the two. Ok, but then why are they not calling it like that on their official media?? Im not sure about how these are gonna be coherently glued together. Maybe what we have are just demos? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rumandraisin Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 14 minutes ago, CaioAKR said: It wouldn't be unprecedented. Megadeth does this a lot, see Holy Wars... The Punishment Due and the likes. Also Pink Floyd with the Another Brick In The Wall three parts and The Happiest Days Of Our Lives and the Time/Breathe Reprise thingy. There's many cases of two songs that got interwoven as one. But then why has it got the same strings in places, the same chord progression in parts. The strings that we were told were from the General were actually from both combined in a 3 or so minute piece. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknroll41 Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 The fact that evader got his version so close to the real thing makes it even more embarrassing that Fernando referred to his version as “raw sewage.” 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhazUp Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 1 minute ago, StrangerInThisTown said: You might be right in the musical train of thought here, but what makes no sense is that these songs are billed that way. The General is, officially, just that, the one song title. It doesn't even mention Monsters on the vinyl, it's just Perhaps/The General. And on the registration site it's also labeled as just one songtitle, albeit a different one, but still, just 1, The General and Monsters. My theory, and again this is just a theory, is that the idea of putting this on vinyl as an exclusive as majorly fucked with the flow of everything They already are limiting themselves by the running time of the 7' vinyl - and I think none of us to this day are sure how they are going to exactly go about it. Are they only putting The General on there, and Monsters will be linked to it on streaming sites? Are they cramming both on the 7' and sacrificing audio quality to do so? Are they saving Monsters for the B-side of Atlas or something as a way to elongate the saga of The General's story across two releases? I think once the vinyl is released and we see what was exactly done and how things become clearer. But I definitely think the musical links are there to confidently say they are meant to be consumed as a singular journey artistically Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony adler Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 19 minutes ago, doakes said: Out of curiosity, would something like Rock the Rock suffice? Or a faster pace? Rock the Rock was actually quite refreshing, mainly cause Axl didn’t have time to over think things and went in and made a quick / catchy tune that rocks 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, rocknroll41 said: The fact that evader got his version so close to the real thing makes it even more embarrassing that Fernando referred to his version as “raw sewage.” I am quite confident Fernando was describing the Reddit thread as sewage since leaks were discussed, not evader's work. This is another of these mygnrforum "truths" that has just become established but is really open for interpretation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimiRose Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 6 minutes ago, rocknroll41 said: The fact that evader got his version so close to the real thing makes it even more embarrassing that Fernando referred to his version as “raw sewage.” when fernando the useless prick say that? Wouldnt surprise me but not heard this before Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 3 minutes ago, JimiRose said: when fernando the useless prick say that? Wouldnt surprise me but not heard this before Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimiRose Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 3 minutes ago, SoulMonster said: cheers 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakey Styley Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 35 minutes ago, Sausagebrain said: I'm catching myself constantly humming the main melody of 'The General' to myself. That's a good thing, right? Same, can’t get this shit out of my head. I’m still gonna try to not listen again until the real release. So tough though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmo Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 3 minutes ago, Jakey Styley said: Same, can’t get this shit out of my head. I’m still gonna try to not listen again until the real release. So tough though. Monsters is stuck in my head all day, but The General I find kind of hard to remember at times Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voodoochild Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 37 minutes ago, Bucketdude_666 said: Still feels off the first leak Drums are out of place in several place, how can nobody feels that? I felt that, I think you mention Brain's drum fills before the chorus. I even mentioned on Discord, because I felt that should be a fake. But when I really listened to Axl's vocals and Slash's solo, I changed my mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxlRoseCDII Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 When do we think the mean bridge by Axl in Monsters was recorded? It sounds later than 2002 to me. Could it have been 2006? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingcanyon Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 Just now, AxlRoseCDII said: When do we think the mean bridge by Axl in Monsters was recorded? It sounds later than 2002 to me. Could it have been 2006? i think 2007/08 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rindmelon Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, AxlRoseCDII said: When do we think the mean bridge by Axl in Monsters was recorded? It sounds later than 2002 to me. Could it have been 2006? Sounds like the same tone his voice had on the Angel Down album so maybe 2006. Too raspy for 2002 and not raspy enough for 2010 maybe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner55 Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, kingcanyon said: i think 2007/08 Somewhere in 06 and 07 was my guess. I felt it was similar sounding to his vocals on Bach's album. Honestly too, we don't know what his voice was in 03 to 05. Coulda been anywhere in there too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coma16 Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 4 minutes ago, AxlRoseCDII said: When do we think the mean bridge by Axl in Monsters was recorded? It sounds later than 2002 to me. Could it have been 2006? 1999 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twainwreck88 Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, Rindmelon said: Sounds like the same tone his voice had on the Angel Down album so maybe 2006. Too raspy for 2002 and not raspy enough for 2010 maybe Giving me IRS verses vibes 2 minutes ago, Rindmelon said: Sounds like the same tone his voice had on the Angel Down album so maybe 2006. Too raspy for 2002 and not raspy enough for 2010 maybe Giving me IRS verses vibes 2 minutes ago, Rindmelon said: Sounds like the same tone his voice had on the Angel Down album so maybe 2006. Too raspy for 2002 and not raspy enough for 2010 maybe Giving me IRS verses vibes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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