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12 minutes ago, UncleJosh said:

I wasn't referring to him overall as a frontman as I think he is one of the best ever and in my top 3 favorite singers all time.  But he is not infallible and there are lots of people who never made it who can sing better on a purely technical level. Listen to Indiana 91 and if you can say that no singer can sound better "technically" than that performance than I think you are blinded by bias. That doesn't mean that singer is a better performer or that they can convey the emotion and passion that Axl did but as far as hitting the notes cleanly, there are people out there who can do it.  I agree Axl is unique but the reason for their success was not only his amazing vocal talent. 

Maybe you need to get out more and listen to and see more live music to appreciate the level of talent some non famous people have.

Yeah I get what you’re pointing out. I have to agree that Axls been hit and miss live, but when he was on he tore the place apart.

But again, I understand your statement now

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9 hours ago, AxlSlashthebest said:

are you serious ????

pfff anyway if we don't complain we are wrong. Maybe TB are the worst managment in the world but maybe also .......we are the worst fans in the world !!! come on we get free pro-vidéo. Congratulation @Powderfinger I would love to hear you playing drunk !!!!

Love this version of rocket Queen of exept........you know !!!!

I'm a fan of way too many other bands and see the amount of material, demos, unreleased songs, live albums, live blu rays etc to be content with whatever little scraps of crap Fernando lobs our way. 

Compared to most of their peers, both over the last almost 30 years and during the last 3 months where artists are putting up full live gigs and relasing stuff,  GNR have done fuck all. 

I'm not complaining,  like I said in my original post, it is what it is.... 

And, what Slash is doing at the start of rocket Queen with the slide.... fuck a drunk 10 year old could make that noise.....

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Axl vocals are always a thing I get that, but I wanna ask you guys, from all the bands that are 30+ years old where the vocals in songs do not require only low register or like middle range which frontman actually still nails it live? Who sings on a constant great level? Yeah there's Bruce Dickinson and Steven Tyler Who still deliver but really If you can name 5 please tell me. 

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Great job releasing this TB. Credit where credit is due, except that they had to rely on the Download people because their own recordings are obviously sub par. That was most likely the real reason for the delay. 

Axl sounds awful on YCBM. This dude needs to either get his act together or retire. This is not the sound we fell in love with as fans. It sounds bad dude. Stop doing that voice. 

 

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18 minutes ago, GNRmello77 said:

Axl vocals are always a thing I get that, but I wanna ask you guys, from all the bands that are 30+ years old where the vocals in songs do not require only low register or like middle range which frontman actually still nails it live? Who sings on a constant great level? Yeah there's Bruce Dickinson and Steven Tyler Who still deliver but really If you can name 5 please tell me. 

Right...Axl, Baz, Plant, Vince Neil, Bon Jovi, Don Dokken, Blackie Lawless, Tom Kiefer, Brian Johnson, Bon Jovi, Dave Mustaine, David Coverdale, even Rob Halford...time has beat up their vocal capacities...

Bruce is still very close to what he’s always been.

For me Steven Tyler gets the benefit of singing with his natural voice sound. 
 

Axl sings with a “made up” or forced voice, that becomes much harder to keep (I GUESS)

Maybe Dio would be another exception

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Sammy Hagar and Rob Halford still deliver the goods in their iconic voices. Some tuning down certain songs to help with the notes but still impressive for their ages. I'd say those two, Bruce Dickinson, Steven Tyler, Ronnie James Dio (before he died of course but still nailing it until then), and James Hetfield (he sings cleaner these days but still distinctly sounds like Hetfield and can carry the gigs). A few, anyways. Even Brian Johnson was aolid until the ear problems. I'll take his singing Thunderstruck at nearly 70 over whatever Axl is currently doing for songs like Sweet Child and You Could Be Mine.

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2 hours ago, GNRmello77 said:

Axl vocals are always a thing I get that, but I wanna ask you guys, from all the bands that are 30+ years old where the vocals in songs do not require only low register or like middle range which frontman actually still nails it live? Who sings on a constant great level? Yeah there's Bruce Dickinson and Steven Tyler Who still deliver but really If you can name 5 please tell me. 

I personally don't think a top consistent level is expected, but Axl's voice sounds like he is out of breath and lacks any sort of power - even with the easier songs. And he isn't charging around as much as he used to, so I dont think that can be an excuse anymore.

Sure he is 50+ , and good on him for carrying on, but imo he sounds tired after a couple of bars of the first song. He may have blown his voice etc, but it seems to me that he doesn't put any effort into his craft going by the evidence we've seen of him live - be that warm ups, warm downs, vocal training and exercise when not performing live, rehearsing with band (lol at the last one point as we know that doesn't happen, but imo that would help him).

It's a shame as I think he could still push out a strong voice that most folk would be happy with, but it would require some work and effort on his part which doesn't appear something he does? Also its hard to accept that view point for me personally as all we have heard of the decades is how much of a perfectionist he is.......but it perhaps seems that's not the case for live gigs. If they release even a single song and it's new vocals by him and they're powerful, I'd be content. Right now I'm tired of the band and him and I've been a huge Axl defender over the many years.

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I mean, before telling Axl to retire let's remember that he sounded FUCKING AWESOME in 2016. I mean, grab any show from that year, especially from AC/DC and name me 10 betters singers. I'll wait. He fucking killed it!

2017 was not as good but it was still nice. I agree that he starting sounded worse after that, but nobody expected him to kill it that way in 2016 (or 2006-2010). I think he can switch it on when he's really motivated.

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Yeah I don’t want Axl to retire, but I do think he’ll eventually need to “adjust” his sound somehow. Whether that means tuning down, focusing solely on lower-voice songs, doing more with piano and acoustic guitars, or all of the above is still a mystery. But when he gets to his 70s he’ll need to do at least one if not more (or all) of those things.

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Finally got around to watching this tonight. Thought it was much better than the one from a few weeks ago. Hopefully they keep on delivering. 

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8 hours ago, WhazUp said:

This version of Rocket Queen is really good.  Maybe it is because I am a guitarist, but I never got all the bashing on the extended jam on RQ!  I always love whenever Slash brings out the talk-box, and for all the people that don't like Slash's "shredder mode" this is where he shines because with the talk box solos he goes for more melodic motifs and are always the most reminiscent of UYI era Slash

Seriously? Never liked him doing the talk box. Neither then nor now. I always preferred his solo spots like his RQ with the Conspirators or when he improvises before the Godfather theme and before DTJ. Even when the whole band played those bluesjams in the 80's. That's when he shines IMO.

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3 hours ago, James Bond said:

Sammy Hagar and Rob Halford still deliver the goods in their iconic voices. Some tuning down certain songs to help with the notes but still impressive for their ages. I'd say those two, Bruce Dickinson, Steven Tyler, Ronnie James Dio (before he died of course but still nailing it until then), and James Hetfield (he sings cleaner these days but still distinctly sounds like Hetfield and can carry the gigs). A few, anyways. Even Brian Johnson was aolid until the ear problems. I'll take his singing Thunderstruck at nearly 70 over whatever Axl is currently doing for songs like Sweet Child and You Could Be Mine.

Don't forget Ozzy. I mean he's sick now, but when I saw him in recent years he has always delivered. 

10 hours ago, Alejandro GNR said:

Ive never really got the huge love for the Ritz show...I confess Im a UYI fan over AFD...for me any 1992/3 show waaaaay better than the Ritz era...Slash became much better including his sound, Axls singing during 92 for me its his best, the performances have lots of energy...

Ive always seen Ritz as very good but as a band becoming something special, but a band that reached its peak afterwards

It's the energy, the interactions with the fans in such a small club, the atmosphere, the rawness of how the songs were performed. High voltage. KOHD without that pointless extended solo, the speach before OTGM, no lame ass ballads. It's definitely my favorite show of those I have seen completely (or almost completely)

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It’s funny how they (TB/F) are actually trying to do something, yet the unfortunate and baffling way they’ve been using is actually making things even worse for a number of people. 
One would think they’d listen to the stuff first and upload something from 2016 or at least upload some stronger songs from the setlist, right? 
I don’t know, man. What is it? Someone suggested that they may be really too far gone and think he really sounds good on this. 
I don’t get it. Are they putting out the worst first? But why? Makes no sense. 
Complete ignorance? Complete idiocy? Maybe both? Or is there any other option? 
Questions, only questions. 
 

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55 minutes ago, Free Bird said:

Seriously? Never liked him doing the talk box. Neither then nor now. I always preferred his solo spots like his RQ with the Conspirators or when he improvises before the Godfather theme and before DTJ. Even when the whole band played those bluesjams in the 80's. That's when he shines IMO.

Different strokes I suppose! I always loved the talk-box jams back to when I first heard the extended solo on Live Era, then again I am a huge fan of Frampton as a guitarist so love for that type of thing has always been in my guitar DNA

For the talk box solos, I like how Slash goes for more funky and straight up melodic motivic development so the solos always sing

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1000 times better than the NITL stuff they released a month or so back. Band sounds tight , vibey and on. Couldn't get over how messy (Slash in particular) and sterile the first batch sounded and this is a vast improvement. The actual camera footage is a huge improvement too. 

Very cool!

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What a difference it makes to hear Axl with Slash vs Axl with random hired hands 

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I wouldnt mind an octave lower with his chest voice

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22 minutes ago, TheDemocracyRose said:

new songs and preparations like he did with AC/DC.

that was no new challenge, them songs wasn't new at all

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Very excellent addition to the NITL video series.  The song selection was great.  I listened to this on a house rattling sound system and it didn't disappoint.  I like the camera work a lot.  It had great close-up of the action but didn't let you forget how large the crowd was.  It felt cinematic and made the performance that much cooler.

Really solid versions of Slither (really pleased to hear this), Rocket Queen, You Could Be Mine, Attitude, Sweet Child O' Mine.

Including the first video, we've heard

+ It's So Easy, Chinese Democracy, Double Talkin' Jive, Slither, Rocket Queen, You Could Be Mine, Attitude, Sweet Child O' Mine

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9 hours ago, WhazUp said:

The mix is such an improvement on this latest batch of songs.  Duff's bass crystal clear, the guitars both properly balanced and not dry, Axl's vocals blending in with the vocals so his more Mickey moments don't stick out as oddly.  To me it is a really good sign that TB is at least listening to the critiques and attempting to implement those improvements in these new videos

I doubt we can give TB credit for the mix.. This was properly mixed by Download for the pro shot releases

I think when we get another regular NITL show, it will be a mix like the SLC show 

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1 minute ago, SAU3R said:

I doubt we can give TB credit for the mix.. This was properly mixed by Download for the pro shot releases

I think when we get another regular NITL show, it will be a mix like the SLC show 

That is definitely possible - however I hope that isn't the case lol only because if the mix is like this for all future "Selection" videos I will be a very happy camper in that respect

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5 hours ago, rocknroll41 said:

Yeah I don’t want Axl to retire, but I do think he’ll eventually need to “adjust” his sound somehow. Whether that means tuning down, focusing solely on lower-voice songs, doing more with piano and acoustic guitars, or all of the above is still a mystery. But when he gets to his 70s he’ll need to do at least one if not more (or all) of those things.

He needs to adjust his physique. I think that would help his performances a great deal.

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