06/07/22 - Seville,ES - Estadio Benito Villamarin

[jafeijo]

1 hour ago, El Guapo said:

What would you say, would it be a realistic option for Axl to do it 2016/ AxlDc style if they played shorter sets, like 1,5 hours instead of 3 with longer breaks between the shows?

Or is it just too risky to go full rasp even on a couple of songs now?

I'd say he needs the correct preparation to do so. To my ears his voice is out of shape for distortion, so doing 'full Axl/DC mode' is out of his capacities and would almost certainly stress his vocal chords. In the Reckless Life video you can see he's going for the drive in some point, and he puts so much tension into his neck that his face turns kinda red. My bet is that he's gonna improve vocal condition as the tour goes on (same old story), but to reach Axl/DC level, only with a good vocal coach beside him. (Again, I'm not a vocal specialist, just been singing professionaly and had a couple of lessons over the years).

[Gordon Comstock]

2 hours ago, GnR Chris said:

I also think they should cater the set list these days to low register songs that are easier to sing (if they’re gonna continue to do near-three hour shows). They can still play the “hits.” But add stuff like “Bad Obsession,” “Pretty Tied Up,” “Chinese Democracy,” “Patience,” “Don’t Cry,” “Mr. Brownstone,” “You’re Crazy” (Lies version), throughout. 

I’d also go so far as to say I’d be intrigued to hear some classic “rasp” or high-clean songs done in a different style, low register. Man, it’d be so rad if they ever did a theatre tour again but unplugged. “Street of Dreams” and “Madagascar” acoustic, with Axl in a low register and the band playing the songs in different arrangements. It’s something we’ve never really gotten. Make the old new again.

All that said, I love the current set list, and I have zero complaints about the 8-10 NITL shows I’ve been to since 2016. 

 

Evader did a mix of Madagascar (Danube) years ago that would sound fucking awesome as an acoustic arrangement.

They could do a solid 2.5-3 hours if they built the set around deep cuts and covers - call it a UYI/TSI anniversary tour and sprinkle about 10 hits and new songs throughout. 

[AxlRoseCDII]

Axl’s voice simply isn’t what it used to be. That’s fine. It’s life. But why is he making himself sing AC/DC songs again, Coma, practicing TWAT, etc. That’s the part I don’t understand.

AC/DC songs require a certain grit. He has the power and tone for Back in Black still but honestly the song without rasp just doesn’t work. It’s a shame because the band is super tight on it and I think Slash specifically plays it very well.

[rocknroll41]

15 hours ago, GoForJMark said:

The chili peppers just shuffled their setlist from show 1 to show 2 lol

RHCP has a huge catalog and shuffles their set pretty much every single time. One big difference tho is that they only play for about half the time that GnR does.

Another thing to note is that RHCP have a bunch of popular songs but no “must play this at all shows” type of songs like GnR do with WttJ, SCOM, PC, NR, etc.

Edited June 8, 2022 by rocknroll41

[Underhardy]

1 hour ago, AxlRoseCDII said:

Axl’s voice simply isn’t what it used to be. That’s fine. It’s life. But why is he making himself sing AC/DC songs again, Coma, practicing TWAT, etc. That’s the part I don’t understand.

AC/DC songs require a certain grit. He has the power and tone for Back in Black still but honestly the song without rasp just doesn’t work. It’s a shame because the band is super tight on it and I think Slash specifically plays it very well.

He always takes on the challenge, which is cool, but also some self awareness would be nice

[Manfisman]

I thinking having the amount of drive (aka rasp) that Axl used to have can be really bad for you vocal chords. So it's kind of a miracle it lasted as long as it did without actually losing range. I wouldn't expect a show with full rasp ever again tbh, and that's fine. That's just how age works.

 

I think that if he wasn't rehearsing or taking care of his voice he wouldn't have the range he has at all. You don't reach those notes randomly, especially at that age. He hit the notes, just not the way he used to do it back in the day. But that's an impossible standard for a 60 years old man IMO. 

 

He has such an unique style and he was able to mantain it for so long that we expect Axl/DC levels every single day, but that's just not sustainable

Edited June 8, 2022 by Manfisman

[GNR_RNR]

IMO Axl is sounding pretty good, all considering

Sure it's not 2016 quality but for someone that's 60 year old he's hitting the notes and can pull of the vocal pyrotechnics when he needs to (LALD springs to mind). And is actually turning up to soundchecks!!! 

Listening to BiB it's pretty apparent that the clean voice is him singing economically. With Axl/DC he knew that he had a set number of shows and that wold be it. So he really pushed the limits of his voice (Probably too far honestly). Whereas on a long tour he simply can't. 

I think we will hear some improvement regarding rasp as the tour progresses and he get used to singing full sets again. I've a suspicion Axl practises mostly one or two songs at a time, nails them in the practise for the tour, then gets blindsided by singing 3hr sets. As the notes are generally there but it's tough singing these songs back to back. 

The fact that at 60 he's singing Reckless life, Hard Skool, SOYL, Fast You're Crazy etc in the original key is damn impressive. 

Of course some people are such rasp fanatics that they won't be satisfied unless he sounds like a chainsaw in a washing machine.  

[Tom-Ass]

His voice has been shot for a very long time. It is what it is.. I still give him credit for not giving a fuck and busting out songs like Reckless Life and Dead Horse... I'd rather hear these songs and take it for what it is than them not play them. He is still good enough to have a good time and enjoy the shows.  He may not always be prepared enough but he isn't phoning it in.. The effort on stage is there. 

[rudolf1978]

I know he is in his 60s. But he cant not sing as he used to sing. Its painfull listen to him singing the songs that way. Its sad,but this reunion came like 15 years late.

[rumandraisin]

2 minutes ago, rudolf1978 said:

I know he is in his 60s. But he cant not sing as he used to sing. Its painfull listen to him singing the songs that way. Its sad,but this reunion came like 15 years late.

Réunion should have come 2010. CD was done, they were just treading water from then on and Axls voice was at its peak. 

[Tom-Ass]

5 minutes ago, rudolf1978 said:

Its sad,but this reunion came like 15 years late.

Sure did

[rudolf1978]

1 minute ago, Tom-Ass said:

Sure did

I went to 2017 Madrid show, show them 2006 and 2010.......and was the worst 2017

[MaskingApathy]

2 hours ago, rocknroll41 said:

RHCP has a huge catalog and shuffles their set pretty much every single time. One big difference tho is that they only play for about half the time that GnR does.

Another thing to note is that RHCP have a bunch of popular songs but no “must play this at all shows” type of songs like GnR do with WttJ, SCOM, PC, NR, etc.

They kind of have to play Give It Away each time.

[Trin9498]

36 minutes ago, rumandraisin said:

Réunion should have come 2010. CD was done, they were just treading water from then on and Axls voice was at its peak. 

He was definitely good in 2010!

[Ratam]

I read in a Sevilla site, that accord a taxi-driver he brought many fans that attended the Portugal show, then came to Sevilla show too.

[jamillos]

It is about appropriateness. Adjusting the playlist to the current form. If he wants to do Back in Black, why didn’t he do it back in 2017, where he probably still could have reached the necessary rasp? (not like 2016, but still) Why now? Why not play low-vocals songs and insisting on stuff like Better instead? Nobody’s expecting a 30-year old Axl form, that’s a bullshit argument, but there should be some self-awareness, as somebody said above. That’s why people will always be complaining – cause he apparently doesn’t give a shit about logical choices and then we get corresponding results...

[chinese stew]

I was there. Axl sounded INCREDIBLE. 

Best shape and vocals since I  have seen reunion shows live.

 

[swirkh]

Of course he is not 30 anymore and of course his voice is shot.

 

But I don't understand why he chooses to sing so many songs with high pitch.

His lower, speaking-like voice still sounds very good (i.e. Double Talkin Jive, Don't Cry until 3rd verse).

I wouldn't mind if he took some artistic liberties (if you can even call it that), and sang all those songs where Mickey is the most prevalent (such as YCBM, Rocket Queen, Better, November Rain) with LOW PITCHED VOICE, only going for high in very specific parts. I'm sure it would sound 100% better that way.

 

I also agree with some of you regarding live setting. Based on my experience from previous NITL shows, due to loudness of stadium PA, Axl's troubled voice sounds better when you're there in person. It sits well in the mix with the rest of the band, which doesn't translate as much through youtube videos.

With that said, yesterday I bought my ticket to the show in Warsaw.

Some time ago I said I'm not going to another show if there's no new album. But you know what ? The fact that the OG 3 pushing 60 years old are still there playing together, shouldn't be taken for granted. As well as the fact that we're finally able to go to a rock concert after the global pandemic. The overall experience of a GNR concert in 2022 is still shaping up to be a good one, and I'm looking forward to it !

Edited June 9, 2022 by swirkh

[Dangom1]

I know I'm in the minority but I always thought Axls rasp in 2010 could be way OTT at times 🤷‍♂️ much proffered his 2006 vocals from around that era

[rudolf1978]

if you like his cuarrrent voice is ok. i dont like how he sings. 

[Jaygnr]

Im all for wanting setlist change and more from the Alt songs list. Id love to hear a few of them when i go to the Dublin show, OTGM, dead Horse, Reckless life, nice boys ,TWAT, SOD etc but when i look at the setlist regulars its hard to actually pin out what should be dropped. 

Imo id drop RQ KOHD YCBM and maybe a cover...but they wont do that as RQ & KOHD have long instrumental solos etc. So ill take what i can get...my last show was Slane 2017 so i wont complain what i get. Could be one of the last Euro tours you just never know

[MYWIFEMYLIFE]

This might be the last tour, you can complain all nite and day, but you ll miss them when they are gone.

All I want is to see AFD5 on stage for the last time.

[Alejandro GNR]

5 hours ago, chinese stew said:

I was there. Axl sounded INCREDIBLE. 

Best shape and vocals since I  have seen reunion shows live.

 

Just NO, Im happy for you enjoying the show but thats just your perception from the general experiencie and afréntalo its all that matters.

That said, he sung awful....

[El Nono Pololo]

8 hours ago, swirkh said:

Of course he is not 30 anymore and of course his voice is shot.

 

But I don't understand why he chooses to sing so many songs with high pitch.

His lower, speaking-like voice still sounds very good (i.e. Double Talkin Jive, Don't Cry until 3rd verse).

I wouldn't mind if he took some artistic liberties (if you can even call it that), and sang all those songs where Mickey is the most prevalent (such as YCBM, Rocket Queen, Better, November Rain) with LOW PITCHED VOICE, only going for high in very specific parts. I'm sure it would sound 100% better that way.

 

Learning how to approach their catalog using a more comfortable range for him (being naturally more of a baritone to begin with) and saving his high range and rasp for dramatic effect would be a logical step to take, though that's way easier said than done tbh. Some of those songs cover a nice stretch, and might be a bitch to adapt smoothly to fit the path of least vocal resistance. Still, he should try doing something in that direction...

What's puzzling to me is that he chooses to sing even stuff like Slither HIGHER than the original, and he has to know it sounds like total ass. Seems like he could easily tackle that one in his lower to mid-register throughout.

[El Guapo]

55 minutes ago, El Nono Pololo said:

 

Learning how to approach their catalog using a more comfortable range for him (being naturally more of a baritone to begin with) and saving his high range and rasp for dramatic effect would be a logical step to take, though that's way easier said than done tbh. Some of those songs cover a nice stretch, and might be a bitch to adapt smoothly to fit the path of least vocal resistance. Still, he should try doing something in that direction...

What's puzzling to me is that he chooses to sing even stuff like Slither HIGHER than the original, and he has to know it sounds like total ass. Seems like he could easily tackle that one in his lower to mid-register throughout.

Easist and most logical step in that direction would be to put songs in the setlist like Bad Obsession, The Garden, Down on the farm...but no.