Vaccination proof?

[mikeman5150]

13 minutes ago, fantomas said:

Make your friends pay for their damn tickets upfront! You shouldn't be on the hook for that.

Yeah I talked to them yesterday, they are both going to pay me next week and then they can do what they want with their tickets 

[BadApples87]

Government agencies determine the vax proof policies.

[GnR Chris]

1 hour ago, Flayer said:

Reported infections just as high as last year’s despite 70% of the population being vaccinated, yeah these shots clearly work.

But last year, everything was shut down. There were no large gatherings, no live concerts, sports events. Mask mandates were in place, etc. It stands to reason that even with a vaccine, cases would persist. Especially considering half the country refuses to get the vaccine. But there are fewer deaths last I checked. It's hard to have a civil conversation with people who don't even argue in good faith. Folks here gave you statistics that you dismiss as "Russo-Chinese-Nazi disinformation" conspiracies. But you won't source anything you're saying.

Edited August 10, 2021 by GnR Chris

[alfierose]

[Dazey]

18 minutes ago, alfierose said:

Have you got one with lift up flaps for most of them? 😂

[Coma16]

Do brits still wash their hands to the happy bday song?

[Dazey]

9 minutes ago, Coma16 said:

Do brits still wash their hands to the happy bday song?

No but we do wank to the Fall Guy theme. 

[Flayer]

1 hour ago, GnR Chris said:

But last year, everything was shut down. There were no large gatherings, no live concerts, sports events. Mask mandates were in place, etc. It stands to reason that even with a vaccine, cases would persist. Especially considering half the country refuses to get the vaccine. But there are fewer deaths last I checked. It's hard to have a civil conversation with people who don't even argue in good faith. Folks here gave you statistics that you dismiss as "Russo-Chinese-Nazi disinformation" conspiracies. But you won't source anything you're saying.

How much of the lower death rate is from the demographics who were most acutely vulnerable to the disease dying of it in the first wave and not being around to die of it again? The vast majority of the population is at a statistically negligible chance to die from it in the first place, so there’s little point in anyone outside the high risk demographic taking it.

If it doesn’t prevent or slow transmissions to any significant extent, only lessen their severity, then there’s no “herd immunity” effect from everyone taking it - and thus no moral imperative for everyone to get it.

[GnR Chris]

20 minutes ago, Flayer said:

If it doesn’t prevent or slow transmissions to any significant extent, only lessen their severity, then there’s no “herd immunity” effect from everyone taking it - and thus no moral imperative for everyone to get it.

You're making assumptions rather than citing sources.

A growing body of evidence indicates that people fully vaccinated with an mRNA vaccine (Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna) are less likely than unvaccinated persons to acquire SARS-CoV-2 or to transmit it to others. - CDC

 

Unvaccinated people "are far more likely to become infected, fall seriously ill and spread the virus." - USA Today

Vaccinated people are significantly less likely to transmit the virus because they’re less likely to be infected to begin with. When they do have covid, vaccinated people likely aren't infected as long as unvaccinated. Viral loads diminish quicker.

[SoulMonster]

1 hour ago, Flayer said:

How much of the lower death rate is from the demographics who were most acutely vulnerable to the disease dying of it in the first wave and not being around to die of it again? The vast majority of the population is at a statistically negligible chance to die from it in the first place, so there’s little point in anyone outside the high risk demographic taking it.

If it doesn’t prevent or slow transmissions to any significant extent, only lessen their severity, then there’s no “herd immunity” effect from everyone taking it - and thus no moral imperative for everyone to get it.

There is good reason for everybody to get vaccinated because it does reduce the likelihood of getting sick and die and if you are vaccinated and get sick you are less likely to spread it to others. 

[Top-Hatted One]

 

^that qoute from USA Today(NY Times Lite) is very misleading suggesting that in-vaxxed are more likely to get infected. Not true. 
 

more severe, symptoms, death maybe. Depending on age and existing Heath conditions.

 

also there’s a difference between affected and infected.

it’s still 10-14 days of quarantine with or with vax

Edited August 10, 2021 by Top-Hatted One

[tsinindy]

6 minutes ago, Top-Hatted One said:

 

^that qoute from USA Today(NY Times Lite) is very misleading suggesting that in-vaxxed are more likely to get infected. Not true. 
 

more severe, symptoms, death maybe. Depending on age and existing Heath conditions.

 

also there’s a difference between affected and infected.

it’s still 10-14 days of quarantine with or with vax

It isn't mis-leading though, science has proven you are LESS likely to get infected if you are vaccinated....but you can still get infected.  How hard is this to understand?

Edited August 10, 2021 by tsinindy

[Gavin82]

On 8/9/2021 at 8:01 PM, Coma16 said:

I heard that Delta is hitting vaccinated people harder in the UK compared to unvaxxed. CDC also confirmed that vaxxed people can carry and spread covid (Delta) just a likely as unvaxxed. But let's carry on and not question the "science" these decisions are based off of...

I know someone who's real bad with C19 right she's had both jabs ages ago 

 

[axlslash]

5 hours ago, Pedrolg said:

Americans have been so fortunate to have two of the most effective vaccines massively deployed very fast, and yet sheer idiocy is jeopardizing the country's (and, to an extent, humanity's) only known response to the pandemic. It is hard to watch. 

A private event requesting proof of vaccination being treated as some sort of massive personal violation, people taling about presenting fake proof of vaccination, torturing numbers to deny the correlation between vaccines and a drastic reduction in the death/cases ratio.

Just good, old fashioned, pure idiocy, paid for in deaths, by the thousands, every day. 

This post is a violation of my HIPAA rights.

[tsinindy]

1 minute ago, Gavin82 said:

I know someone who's real bad with C19 right she's had both jabs ages ago 

 

I know someone who has 3 nipples...whats your point?

[Sisyphus]

55 minutes ago, GnR Chris said:

You're making assumptions rather than citing sources.

A growing body of evidence indicates that people fully vaccinated with an mRNA vaccine (Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna) are less likely than unvaccinated persons to acquire SARS-CoV-2 or to transmit it to others. - CDC

 

Unvaccinated people "are far more likely to become infected, fall seriously ill and spread the virus." - USA Today

Vaccinated people are significantly less likely to transmit the virus because they’re less likely to be infected to begin with. When they do have covid, vaccinated people likely aren't infected as long as unvaccinated. Viral loads diminish quicker.

“Findings from the extended timeframe of this study add to accumulating evidence that mRNA COVID-19 vaccines are effective and should prevent most infections — but that fully vaccinated people who still get COVID-19 are likely to have milder, shorter illness and appear to be less likely to spread the virus to others. - CDC

In other words: they don't have a clue or the data to back it up.

[Gavin82]

8 minutes ago, tsinindy said:

I know someone who has 3 nipples...whats your point?

I know TOO people with TWO middle fingers and TO fore heads 

[Dazey]

14 minutes ago, Gavin82 said:

I know someone who's real bad with C19 right she's had both jabs ages ago 

What's your point? I wasn't aware that data was the plural of anecdote.  

[Gavin82]

1 minute ago, Dazey said:

What's your point? I wasn't aware that data was the plural of anecdote.  

You learn every day lol 

[Dazey]

30 minutes ago, Top-Hatted One said:

also there’s a difference between affected and infected.

No there isn't, unless you're talking about third parties.

[Coma16]

23 minutes ago, Gavin82 said:

I know someone who's real bad with C19 right she's had both jabs ages ago 

 

Did she get her 3rd jab yet? Hope she recovers very soon!

[Sweersa]

What's the fatality rate for those infected with COVID-19?

[invisible_rose]

Just now, Sweersa said:

What's the fatality rate for those infected with COVID-19?

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

That's based on confirmed cases. I'd suggest the actual rates are much lower. But the consensus was roughly 1% in first world countries.  

[Sisyphus]

3 minutes ago, invisible_rose said:

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

That's based on confirmed cases. I'd suggest the actual rates are much lower. But the consensus was roughly 1% in first world countries.  

Perhaps even less. These calculations are based on official numbers and those were subjected to extreme machinations not only to fit the overall narrative but also to ensure financial gain for the public health care.

[GnR Chris]

23 minutes ago, Sisyphus said:

extreme machinations not only to fit the overall narrative but also to ensure financial gain for the public health care.

Do you realize how silly you sound when your conspiracy is that the governments and media across the entire world have gotten together to push the narrative of a deadly virus, shutting down businesses, travel, sports, all in an effort to ensure a financial boon to public health care? The US government has foot the bill for the vaccines, the syringes, etc. to provide them at no cost to people to try to keep people out of hospitals.

Edited August 10, 2021 by GnR Chris