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Exactly what I was afraid about since reunion.

They butchered great and interesting song into completely bland, dull and boring random pieces of solos and old vocals.

God, I wish they will stop releasing this crap and focus on leaking demos from 2000'

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4 minutes ago, loko said:

Exactly what I was afraid about since reunion.

They butchered great and interesting song into completely bland, dull and boring random pieces of solos and old vocals.

God, I wish they will stop releasing this crap and focus on leaking demos from 2000'

I dunno, to me this song really only had going for it the fact that it sounded closest to old GNR than the rest of the CD session stuff.  Now that Slash and Duff added and changed parts it actually sounds a GNR track in my opinion

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52 minutes ago, Pele said:

The hilarious thing is that they are actually resorting to Evader like techniques of cutting his vocals from other 99 demos and pasting screams and 'hey-hey's' in!

 

Congratulations, you are literally the only one who will let something this trivial ruin a badass song.  Why is that a win for you?  Just don't get it. 

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I like it!
Not a big fan of the echo on the "save what we had", it's an effect that's been used too many times by generic pop/rock-bands, so I could live without it. Love the slide guitar! Axls vox in the chorus is really classic aggressive Axl. Love it! Love the buildup to the last chorus because it's funny. 
I think that rock radio will get this on hard rotation, sounds much more appealing to the casual listener than Absurd.

 

Questions to more knowledgable people:
What parts are "new" compared with the demo?
Does anyone have a clue if this is a song from '96 or the chinese-era?
Who wrote it?

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I've been listening to the soundcheck version with the added vocals a lot lately and I was surprised how similar this was to that. No big surprises. 

Overall I liked the song very much. Getting rid of the unnecessary intro was good. In general I just prefer Slash's take on the song. The bell ring was fun and added a bit more personality to the song

That being said I wasn't a big fan of the added effects on Axl's vocals. The echo felt unnecessary. Even the hey hey parts seemed to have same effects on top of them and I just don't understand why. Not to mention the scream after the slow part. None of that bothers me too much personally, but I know that many classic rock fans despise effects on vocals and this could have been a great song for those people without the unnecessary effects. So in that sense it's a bit of a bummer that Axl had to add those effects, cause they really weren't necessary.

I was hoping that Axl would have added some new lyrics to the song. Especially the slow part could have benefitted from some additional lyrics. It could have brought the song to a whole new level.

But it's a great song nevertheless and I'm happy that GNR is finally releasing music.

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Just now, sofine11 said:

Congratulations, you are literally the only one who will let something this trivial ruin a badass song.  Why is that a win for you?  Just don't get it. 

The song is fine.  I enjoyed it.

It's not a win.  We all lose.

This should be a hard dose of reality to anyone expecting new songs.  Instead people still seem to think desperately cutting and pasting his old vocals over new music means he has an album of new songs ready to go.

1 minute ago, Lies They Tell said:

I've been listening to the soundcheck version with the added vocals a lot lately and I was surprised how similar this was to that. No big surprises. 

Overall I liked the song very much. Getting rid of the unnecessary intro was good. In general I just prefer Slash's take on the song. The bell ring was fun and added a bit more personality to the song

That being said I wasn't a big fan of the added effects on Axl's vocals. The echo felt unnecessary. Even the hey hey parts seemed to have same effects on top of them and I just don't understand why. Not to mention the scream after the slow part. None of that bothers me too much personally, but I know that many classic rock fans despise effects on vocals and this could have been a great song for those people without the unnecessary effects. So in that sense it's a bit of a bummer that Axl had to add those effects, cause they really weren't necessary.

I was hoping that Axl would have added some new lyrics to the song. Especially the slow part could have benefitted from some additional lyrics. It could have brought the song to a whole new level.

But it's a great song nevertheless and I'm happy that GNR is finally releasing music.

They added effects to Silkworms too.

It's partly to create the illusion there is something new there.

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Just now, Pele said:

The song is fine.  I enjoyed it.

It's not a win.  We all lose.

This should be a hard dose of reality to anyone expecting new songs.  Instead people still seem to think desperately cutting and pasting his old vocals over new music means he has an album of new songs ready to go.

It just seems like you're hellbent on a narrative where the fans lose out literally no matter what.  Just enjoy the song brother, life's too short.

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3 minutes ago, Pele said:

The song is fine.  I enjoyed it.

It's not a win.  We all lose.

This should be a hard dose of reality to anyone expecting new songs.  Instead people still seem to think desperately cutting and pasting his old vocals over new music means he has an album of new songs ready to go.

They added effects to Silkworms too.

It's partly to create the illusion there is something new there.

Holy shit dude, just enjoy the music, kick back and have a beer or something. It’s a good song, it’s a good time as a GNR fan to be around.

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4 minutes ago, sofine11 said:

It just seems like you're hellbent on a narrative where the fans lose out literally no matter what.  Just enjoy the song brother, life's too short.

Unfortunately yeah, if what I'm saying is right, we all lose.

I feel we are almost being trolled right now by a guy getting musicians to record over his 20 year vocal demos and calling it new GNR songs.

Like I've said - it's Stockholm Syndrome at this point.  You're all happy with this so why does he need to write/record anything new?  Looking forward to the next 'new' song Atlas Shrugged?

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First listen I thought it was Ok but not the rip-roaring “second debut” I had hoped for (we’ll just ignore absurd for now). Felt to me that the vocals were a bit too detached from the music, sounded like they had been copy and pasted over a separate track. I guess all music is done that way but just sounded like it didn’t match particularly well. Will definitely listen again when I can access it without messing around with a VPN

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35 minutes ago, MaskingApathy said:

Referring to the bold part, do you mean he's heard the other new tracks that they're planning to release (new album etc)?

So I've just listened to it once, I'm going to wait for it to go on Spotify now. The middle guitar solo sounds like classic Slash like something from Don't Damn Me and the slide part harkens back to The Garden. I'm not thrilled with the cut n paste stuff but I think Slash and Duff would want to put out material that they've written from scratch so I think we'll get that too. I think they're trying to compromise; do a few of Axl's old songs which they like and then he'll work on new stuff that the band comes up with. 

It's worth bearing in mind that both of them actually liked Chinese Democracy so they may genuinely be pretty enthusiastic about this whole process. I mean, I like it, even if I wish it was a more organic sounding record. It's still the work of Axl Rose and there's a lot of good stuff there. I just wish some of the prog metal and electronic touches weren't there.

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1 minute ago, ZoSoRose said:

It’s be cool to hear ask new music from this lineup but considering we have one album since 1991 from Axl, I’ll take this and Chinese songs happily

That is my mindset too.  I would ideally love new songs with all the recorded parts being from the same sessions/timeframe, but at this point if it has Axl/Slash/Duff on it in any form and it sounds good, I'll take it

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