Covid-19 Thread

[spunko12345]

1 hour ago, Len Cnut said:

We were somewhere around day 6 of lockdown, to paraphrase Dr Thompson, when the drugs began to take their toll..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7JXtdwhAkM&t=347s

Nah, it was a cracking show though weren't it?  

😂

 

[Ratam]

Here until today: 747 infected, deaths 19. Yesterday die an 51 years old man, he just to arrived here few days ago from Spain. He isn't has previous pathology too.

[spunko12345]

7 hours ago, Len Cnut said:

I don’t give a fuck to be honest.  I mean obviously I don’t want no one to die or myself and obviously we should do what we can with the washing of our hands and such but other than that fuck it, if its on the cards its on the cards innit, statistically unlikely if you’re the average aged reasonably healthy person you’ll be alright.

But its never no good shitting yourself, even if you get a fuckin’ advanced cancer diagnosis.  Easy for me to say I suppose.

Agreed. My approach has been to be as strict as fuck with the rules and hope for the best.

Fuck panicking and watching the news every five minutes. We are all still alive and until that changes I'm just gonna keep getting pissed and scratching my balls.

 

[RussTCB]

5486 cases in Michigan now, 136 deaths. 

However, today was the first day that the number of new cases reported was lower than yesterday. Not sure if that means anything. 

[Dazey]

25 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

5486 cases in Michigan now, 136 deaths. 

However, today was the first day that the number of new cases reported was lower than yesterday. Not sure if that means anything. 

I'm hoping so. The number of new cases in the UK has been reasonably steady for the last four days or so but that could well be meaningless as testing is still no where near the level it needs to be.

[RussTCB]

56 minutes ago, Dazey said:

I'm hoping so. The number of new cases in the UK has been reasonably steady for the last four days or so but that could well be meaningless as testing is still no where near the level it needs to be.

They just announced the US is extending our current guidelines until April 30th. Hopefully that does something to curb this whole thing. 

[rocknroll41]

Being socially isolated is starting to wear me down now.

[RussTCB]

49 minutes ago, rocknroll41 said:

Being socially isolated is starting to wear me down now.

A lot of my friends seemed to be handling it OK so far. Then when they announced the extension until April 30th, a lot of them seem to be melting down on social media this evening. 

[Dazey]

On 27/03/2020 at 9:56 PM, downzy said:

Do you have a legitimate publication that supports the conspiracy theories that China has suppressed the true numbers of infections and dead? 

If China had a much bigger problem than they are reporting I don’t think they would be reopening parts of life, sending infectious disease specialists to Italy, and donating medical supplies to countries in desperate need. 

I just came across this story online. Was mostly reported in the right wing loony media (Daily Mail, Fox News) so I checked to see if there were any more reputable sources and Newsweek is reporting it too. It's hardly conclusive evidence but it's the first time I've seen anything more than pure speculation suggesting that the death rate in China may be higher than reported.

WUHAN COVID-19 DEATH TOLL MAY BE IN TENS OF THOUSANDS, DATA ON CREMATIONS AND SHIPMENTS OF URNS SUGGEST

A stack of urns at a funeral home in Wuhan, the city's official cremation rates, and reports of an overwhelmed health care system have prompted speculation that Wuhan's real COVID-19 death toll could be in the tens of thousands—despite the Chinese government reporting 2,535 deaths from just over 50,000 coronavirus infections.

The coronavirus outbreak was first identified in Wuhan, Hubei in December 2019, before it then spread around the world, killing more than 33,000 globally as of Sunday. China's aggressive containment methods have slowed the virus domestically, with official new cases reported plummeting in the past few weeks. So far, Beijing has confirmed roughly 81,000 cases and 3,300 deaths, mostly in Wuhan, the epicenter of the virus' outbreak. But many people, including U.S. politicians have accused China of underplaying their real coronavirus death figure.

Their skepticism were sparked by Chinese officials' attempts to cover up the severity of the outbreak in the early stages—before the disease became widespread overseas—and the numerous revisions made to how domestic cases are counted. Wuhan's medical system was overwhelmed during the height of the outbreak in China, which further raises questions as to the officially reported 2,535 deaths.

In the fourth quarter of 2019, Wuhan also saw 56,007 cremations, a figure 1,583 higher than the fourth quarter of 2018, and 2,231 more than the fourth quarter of 2017, according to data released by the Wuhan civil affairs agency. In 2019, the Wuhan population grew by only 1.1 percent from 2018, according to a U.N. projection. These figures could indicate that the novel virus' emergence in December caused an increase in deaths—a trend that likely will have carried through to the first quarter of this year.

Photos began circulating across Chinese social media this week of urns arriving in the epicenter of the outbreak, after families who had lost loved ones to the novel coronavirus were instructed to pick up cremated ashes from one of the local funeral homes in the city. These images raised a fresh round of questions about the real coronavirus death toll in China, with domestic citizens and international critics using the number of urns to accuse the Chinese government of lying about their figures.

Newsweek reached out to the office of Chinese Ambassador to the United States Cui Tiankai via email for comment. The Chinese Foreign Ministry was also contacted for comment, but a response was not received in time for publication.

Trucks dropped off roughly 2,500 urns on both Wednesday and Thursday local time to one of the eight local funeral homes, a driver told Chinese media outlet Caixin. The news site also published another photo showing 3,500 urns stacked inside the facility. The number of urns that arrived in that one funeral home was far greater than the city's official overall death COVID-19 toll.

Some Wuhan residents estimate that the coronavirus death toll could be 26,000, based on the amount of urns being delivered and distributed across the city. Citizens on Chinese social media users have said that seven Wuhan funeral homes will likely distribute 3,500 urns per day on average from March 23 to April 4, which marks Qing Ming, the traditional tomb-sweeping festival. By that estimate, 42,000 urns would be given out in the 12-day period.

By minusing the expected deaths of roughly 16,000 in Wuhan, based on China's annual death rate over two and a half months, they estimate that the urns show that the coronavirus outbreak could have resulted in approximately 26,000 deaths. It is currently unclear, however, how many of the urns have been used.

Math based on urns, assumptions and social media isn't anything to go by. But it offers one estimation of the city's real death figure and further lends credence to the skepticism held by many of the accuracy of the Chinese government's officially reported Wuhan COVID-19 death tally.

Republican Senator Tom Cotton of Arkansas cited the urn deliveries on Sunday to accuse China of misrepresenting the impact of the virus. "A *single mortuary* in Wuhan reportedly ordered more urns in two days than the Chinese Communist Party has reported total deaths in the whole country," he tweeted. "I'm sure you're shocked by evidence of Chinese lies."

The U.S. and Italy have both surpassed China in confirmed COVID-19 cases. American on Saturday became the first country to confirm over 100,000 cases of the novel coronavirus.

https://www.newsweek.com/wuhan-covid-19-death-toll-may-tens-thousands-data-cremations-shipments-urns-suggest-1494914

[Dazey]

On the day that the Tangerine Toddler was forced to admit that a minimum of 100,000 Americans are going to die he was more worried about his ratings.

Edited March 30, 2020 by Dazey

[Dazey]

Even Fox News cut his mic.  

 

[Gibson87]

1 hour ago, rocknroll41 said:

Being socially isolated is starting to wear me down now.

Same here, my friend. They closed the gym on March 17th, it was supposed to reopen on Tuesday, and now it's being extended until April 7th. The gym was the glue holding everything together, so things aren't great right now 

[Sydney Fan]

30 minutes ago, Gibson_Guy87 said:

Same here, my friend. They closed the gym on March 17th, it was supposed to reopen on Tuesday, and now it's being extended until April 7th. The gym was the glue holding everything together, so things aren't great right now 

In Australia we have our gyms shut potentially for thd next 6 months, and after 1 week im starting to feel it. Exercise will be the main outlet for people to accept the situation. I wish the gyms in oz had that length of downtime.

[The Holographic Universe]

2 hours ago, RussTCB said:

A lot of my friends seemed to be handling it OK so far. Then when they announced the extension until April 30th, a lot of them seem to be melting down on social media this evening. 

The initial date of April 13th was to prevent panic. May is gone, too.

[RussTCB]

14 minutes ago, The Holographic Universe said:

The initial date of April 13th was to prevent panic. May is gone, too.

Is that fact or opinion? Genuinely curious. 

[rocknroll41]

1 hour ago, Gibson_Guy87 said:

Same here, my friend. They closed the gym on March 17th, it was supposed to reopen on Tuesday, and now it's being extended until April 7th. The gym was the glue holding everything together, so things aren't great right now 

Sorry to hear that. Hope you can find an alternate outlet of some kind!

Same goes for you @Oldest Goat!

Edited March 30, 2020 by rocknroll41

[rocknroll41]

2 hours ago, RussTCB said:

A lot of my friends seemed to be handling it OK so far. Then when they announced the extension until April 30th, a lot of them seem to be melting down on social media this evening. 

Yeah at first I was totally fine, but it gets to you after awhile. Thankfully in the last hour I’ve started coming up with new “cathartic” ideas for how I can rejuvenate my “drive” again. Hopefully it works out.

[The Holographic Universe]

9 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

Is that fact or opinion? Genuinely curious. 

Strictly opinion. I know a couple of small business owners and they all believed April 13th  was real. I tried to explain that it couldn’t possibly be met, and I could see the fear in their eyes. A panicked look that told me if the actual deadline was revealed or even best case scenario was revealed people would panic. 

[RussTCB]

6 minutes ago, The Holographic Universe said:

Strictly opinion. I know a couple of small business owners and they all believed April 13th  was real. I tried to explain that it couldn’t possibly be met, and I could see the fear in their eyes. A panicked look that told me if the actual deadline was revealed or even best case scenario was revealed people would panic. 

Yeah, I hear ya. I just talked to the owner of my favorite local record store the other day and I could hear the fear. 

They've been in business for 50+ years but obviously that means nothing at this point. He didn't say anything along the lines of the sky is falling or anything but I know him well enough to know the panic is there. 

I'm just this side of fully panicked about the long term economic effect and how on Earth we're all going to get through that aspect. 

To be honest, I consider myself lucky to have that as my only worry currently. Thankfully, no one I know has been directly effected. Or at least there's no one I'm aware of. 

I sure hope that doesn't change, but everyone I know seems to be doing very well in following all distancing / stay at home rules so far.

[AxlRoseCDII]

This will pass, but it’s going to be a long battle. I am getting a little stir crazy, not being able to go anywhere and not being able to see friends. I miss having a gym to go to and stores to shop at. I am just trying to hang in there at the moment.

[cineater]

12 minutes ago, AxlRoseCDII said:

This will pass, but it’s going to be a long battle. I am getting a little stir crazy, not being able to go anywhere and not being able to see friends. I miss having a gym to go to and stores to shop at. I am just trying to hang in there at the moment.

It's kind of weird when you do see friends.  You're aware how close they are and after a little bit, you want them to go away.  There's stuff you can do at home but then you think you need to run to the store to get something for the project.

I'm not seeing an end to this.  Even when we get on the other side of a flatten curve and loosen up, who's to say we won't start another uphill curve?

[AxlRoseCDII]

1 minute ago, cineater said:

It's kind of weird when you do see friends.  You're aware how close they are and after a little bit, you want them to go away.  There's stuff you can do at home but then you think you need to run to the store to get something for the project.

I'm not seeing an end to this.  Even when we get on the other side of a flatten curve and loosen up, who's to say we won't start another uphill curve?

Again, it’s going to be a long battle. Could even be until a vaccine in 12-18 months, with it coming in waves. Our way of live will be drastically different for a while. 
 

It’s weird to me seeing videos of concert footage, gyms, gathering of people, and even if it was not that long ago, it feels like a different world and makes me realize how much I, or really we, took all that for granted.

[The Holographic Universe]

1 hour ago, RussTCB said:

Yeah, I hear ya. I just talked to the owner of my favorite local record store the other day and I could hear the fear. 

They've been in business for 50+ years but obviously that means nothing at this point. He didn't say anything along the lines of the sky is falling or anything but I know him well enough to know the panic is there. 

I'm just this side of fully panicked about the long term economic effect and how on Earth we're all going to get through that aspect. 

To be honest, I consider myself lucky to have that as my only worry currently. Thankfully, no one I know has been directly effected. Or at least there's no one I'm aware of. 

I sure hope that doesn't change, but everyone I know seems to be doing very well in following all distancing / stay at home rules so far.

Yeah, the economic realties moving forward are bleak. And, who knows how the government will consolidate power from this event. I don’t even subscribe to conspiracy theory’s of any kind, but historically governments use events of mass panic to their own ends.

[willl]

Zero cases on our island off the coast of Scotland but the panic is still very real. Shops running low on essentials like toilet paper but I've not had issues getting food fortunately. The community spirit where I live has been really uplifting, we have Facebook groups setup to make sure that everyone isolating has everything they need, and 10% of our islands population is now registered as a volunteer, including me Over 1000 volunteers within the last fortnight, and our hospital staff are being given free accommodation in B&B's close to the hospital, and all the pubs/hotels etc have given away all their food to charities when they've closed.

The community response to tourists has been less enthusiastic mind. We've basically shut down the islands and told anyone who doesn't live here to fuck off because theyre not welcome anymore If you try coming to Orkney you'll be turned away at the harbour unless you can provide documentation that proves you live here.

Some local videos to lift your spirits...

 

Edited March 30, 2020 by downliner

[EricA]

2 hours ago, cineater said:

 

I'm not seeing an end to this.  Even when we get on the other side of a flatten curve and loosen up, who's to say we won't start another uphill curve?

That's exactly what worries me the most. What if, lets say with end of April/May, most of the measures are taken down, and the curve rises dramatically again, so that hospitals are once again completely overloaded, will there be a second shutdown? and if so, how long will this cycle of ups and downs continue?