09/06/23 - Lexington, KY - Rupp Arena

[DSTK]

2 hours ago, ChristianGNR said:

Sorry, but i’ve been around for over 25 years. We cannot say his voice is not coming back. 

 

Are we considering his Chinese democracy chorus voice “Baritone”? 

Or Slither !

[W. Axl Kev]

Also, I'll add one thing. The vocals so many of you refer to as "Mickey" is singing on a level about a few dozen people on Earth can do. Let's show some respect.

[ShadowOfTheWave]

23 minutes ago, W. Axl Kev said:

Also, I'll add one thing. The vocals so many of you refer to as "Mickey" is singing on a level about a few dozen people on Earth can do. Let's show some respect.

You're right. Singing as awful as Axl does is something very few people have ever accomplished.

[W. Axl Kev]

11 minutes ago, ShadowOfTheWave said:

You're right. Singing as awful as Axl does is something very few people have ever accomplished.

Have you seen them recently?

[jekylhyde]

2 hours ago, W. Axl Kev said:

Also, I'll add one thing. The vocals so many of you refer to as "Mickey" is singing on a level about a few dozen people on Earth can do. Let's show some respect.

This is not a dig at you, W. Axl Kev, but this comment reminded of an old, old comment someone posted here before Chinese Democracy came out.

People were wondering how can the band be so slow and how can it take so long to release an album or something like that and someone responded "these are some of the hardest working men on the planet" and urged others to show respect 

 

[WhazUp]

3 hours ago, W. Axl Kev said:

Also, I'll add one thing. The vocals so many of you refer to as "Mickey" is singing on a level about a few dozen people on Earth can do. Let's show some respect.

Okay, to be more respectful we will call Axl's weaker sounding vocals "Sir Mickey" out of respect from now on

[The Real McCoy]

In a worst case scenario, Axl can use the baritone while Melissa handles the higher notes. That’s not exactly a terrible option if it ever gets to that point. Melissa is a talented vocalist.

Edited September 8, 2023 by The Real McCoy

[Tom2112]

6 hours ago, Blackstar said:

But how do we know that? that Axl hasn't tried that already? 

We know that he doesn't rehearse the songs much or at all before touring (he has admitted that much), but we don't know if/what kind of vocal exercises he has done/does. @Pedrolg made a good point about the shape of Axl's baritone voice and his ability to still hit notes: it indicates that he has taken care of his voice and probably done some work, otherwise he wouldn't be able to sustain power and control of his baritone either, in other words he wouldn't be able to sing at all, like Bon Jovi. So maybe he has tried, but the power of his high clean falsetto is gone and his voice in those ranges is not sustainable anymore.

It's honestly just using the right exercises. I've heard a few coaches discuss this on their YouTube channels and the consensus is the voice is currently gone, but can be repaired. 

Who knows what he has done though. I just think it sounds like he realises he's having difficulty in his upper range and is settling into his lower voice as it's a more dependable range and easier. The lower voice is always going to be easier to manoeuvre around in, considering it's closer to the natural speaking range. I would never claim to be a singer, but I "sing" and when I don't practice my upper range can be dogshit especially falsetto, it's usually poor breathing technique... But I nearly always sing in my chest voice without much or any warm up and pretty much sound consistent. Now... That's me, it's not a scientific analysis, just my 2c

[Tom2112]

1 hour ago, The Real McCoy said:

In a worst case scenario, Axl can use the baritone while Melissa handles the higher notes. That’s not exactly a terrible option if it ever gets to that point. Melissa is a talented vocalist.

They need to hire a singer with Axls timbre if that was the route they were going. Aerosmith/Whitesnake being the best 2 examples of how to hide the deficiencies in an aging lead singers voice. 

Melissa is doing a good job, but to me her voice couldn't be further from Axls, very little nasal tonality, zero aggression etc.

[Blackstar]

23 minutes ago, Tom2112 said:

It's honestly just using the right exercises. I've heard a few coaches discuss this on their YouTube channels and the consensus is the voice is currently gone, but can be repaired. 

Who knows what he has done though. I just think it sounds like he realises he's having difficulty in his upper range and is settling into his lower voice as it's a more dependable range and easier. The lower voice is always going to be easier to manoeuvre around in, considering it's closer to the natural speaking range. I would never claim to be a singer, but I "sing" and when I don't practice my upper range can be dogshit especially falsetto, it's usually poor breathing technique... But I nearly always sing in my chest voice without much or any warm up and pretty much sound consistent. Now... That's me, it's not a scientific analysis, just my 2c

I don't think that's true. He clearly wants to continue using the falsetto, even on songs that don't require it, e.g. Perhaps - his onstage apologies and Freddie comments attest that as well. He only switches to his lower voice only when using falsetto in his mid range physically hurts him.

I think he should just use the baritone where it works fine for the songs and limit the falsetto for certain parts and songs that absolutely need it.

[HollyWoodRose84]

I wish Yoda were still around to conjure the spirit of Ron Anderson from beyond the grave to fix this vocal catastrophe. 

[ChristianGNR]

2 hours ago, HollyWoodRose84 said:

I wish Yoda were still around to conjure the spirit of Ron Anderson from beyond the grave to fix this vocal catastrophe. 

Ron Anderson was around in bad Axl moments too. 
Of course a teacher helps, but it depends on Axl. 

[ZoSoRose]

6 hours ago, WhazUp said:

Okay, to be more respectful we will call Axl's weaker sounding vocals "Sir Mickey" out of respect from now on

[Pedrolg]

5 hours ago, Tom2112 said:

It's honestly just using the right exercises. I've heard a few coaches discuss this on their YouTube channels and the consensus is the voice is currently gone, but can be repaired. 

Who knows what he has done though. I just think it sounds like he realises he's having difficulty in his upper range and is settling into his lower voice as it's a more dependable range and easier. The lower voice is always going to be easier to manoeuvre around in, considering it's closer to the natural speaking range. I would never claim to be a singer, but I "sing" and when I don't practice my upper range can be dogshit especially falsetto, it's usually poor breathing technique... But I nearly always sing in my chest voice without much or any warm up and pretty much sound consistent. Now... That's me, it's not a scientific analysis, just my 2c

Vocal exercises are great but they are not a miracle. There is absolutely no way Axl would be performing at the level he is performing right now without continuous vocal work. We may not like the mickey voice, but the fact that he has that range is impressive on itself. He is back to reaching the highest notes he ever recorded on stuff like TWAT. He is also in top physical shape for someone his age (without steroids at least). Other aspects of his voice would be suffering, not only the falsetto, if he did not take care of it. 

I'm pretty sure Axl is at the upper limits of his current capabilities when it comes to singing and performance. The main issue is that his ceiling is getting lower and lower.

[Dangom1]

7 hours ago, Tom2112 said:

They need to hire a singer with Axls timbre if that was the route they were going. Aerosmith/Whitesnake being the best 2 examples of how to hide the deficiencies in an aging lead singers voice. 

Melissa is doing a good job, but to me her voice couldn't be further from Axls, very little nasal tonality, zero aggression etc.

I have noticed in a few clips that Dizzys vocals are much higher in the mix than usual this tour 

[AxlRoseCDII]

13 hours ago, W. Axl Kev said:

Also, I'll add one thing. The vocals so many of you refer to as "Mickey" is singing on a level about a few dozen people on Earth can do. Let's show some respect.

That’s just not true. Falsetto voices are extremely effortless unless your Steve Perry or something. 

[sl4yer]

15 hours ago, Tom2112 said:

Both lack energy. Obviously the voice that's loud and clear is the "better" option, but it 1000% does lack energy. It's not bad, but I would much rather Axk just doing some fucking exercises to strengthen his weak falsetto. There are a lot of exercises that can be done and he has the resources. Singing in lower registers is for when there is no other choice, and in this instance while he sounds really quiet when he tries to go into his falsetto maybe it's best to temporarily use a more comfortable range. But his voice is still there up high, it's not like he can't do it, it's just a very specific area that needs targetted work 

I think that regarding his current abilities he should stick to the low voice for the mid range and only use his upper register for screams and crucial parts, for example in TWAT, RQ outro, WTTJ, SCOM outro etc.

[Alejandro GNR]

I heard Perhaps from this show...WTF he is singing it even worst than before

I always thought it would be an "easy" song for Axl to sing live...he is struggling REALLY bad with this 

[Hirtlocker423]

Word is tomorrows show is cancelled and crew are tearing down the stage now. Can anyone confirm?

[Tom2112]

7 hours ago, Blackstar said:

I don't think that's true. He clearly wants to continue using the falsetto, even on songs that don't require it, e.g. Perhaps - his onstage apologies and Freddie comments attest that as well. He only switches to his lower voice only when using falsetto in his mid range physically hurts him.

I think he should just use the baritone where it works fine for the songs and limit the falsetto for certain parts and songs that absolutely need it.

Hey, I don't doubt that he wants to be able to do a strong falsetto... I doubt that he has sat down and looked at why he can't do it. A lot of musicians want to do X and y but when it comes to spending their free time practicing they never do it. Axl is trying that much we can all see, and nobody is great every night and I think most accept that hearing roars like the 90s or 2010/16s are just not on the cards. He can sing powerful with clean falsetto though, will he? Unlikely without seeking assistance and working on it for a few months, and then maintaining the practice regimen.

I don't know what's happening to him, so I'm just going to trust in the professional voice coaches that have spoke about where he's at. I'm 100% not qualified to say what it is and isn't true.

To me listening to PTU is still a little jarring. It's especially weird that he decides to go up for the outro and sounds pretty good... End of the day, nobody likes the weak voice, but it's a minority that want to hear these songs sang in his lower range... The majority will always want to hear him in that high range good or bad. This is especially the case when he decides to sing in lower ranges and doesn't know how to navigate the melody... Either rehearse it, or sing it badly the way you know how to do it IMO.

The true answer to all of this is some place in the middle. 

[Tom2112]

2 hours ago, Pedrolg said:

Vocal exercises are great but they are not a miracle. There is absolutely no way Axl would be performing at the level he is performing right now without continuous vocal work. We may not like the mickey voice, but the fact that he has that range is impressive on itself. He is back to reaching the highest notes he ever recorded on stuff like TWAT. He is also in top physical shape for someone his age (without steroids at least). Other aspects of his voice would be suffering, not only the falsetto, if he did not take care of it. 

I'm pretty sure Axl is at the upper limits of his current capabilities when it comes to singing and performance. The main issue is that his ceiling is getting lower and lower.

I'm not saying Axl doesn't do warm ups and some other exercises, but there are other exercises specifically for cases like Axl. He basically is back to beginner standard with his falsetto and needs to build up his "muscles" again.

It's not a miracle worker, but practice with someone who is a specialist in vocal recovery will have dramatic results... Not a 90s roar, but yes to clean power and moving between voices without the warbling we've heard on song's like Perhaps and many others.

Low range is the easy way out, and the truth is that IF he goes that route his voice will just deteriorate further as he didn't take corrective action. 

[username]

It's amazing to see. Only GnR fans could debate so much and so extensively over a singer that has sounded consistently shit over the past 5 to 10 years and has shown no structural sign improvement at all in that period. It's been one steady decline. 

 

Let's hope they'll have to resort to something drastic to still make money, like releasing music. 

[GoBucky]

St. Louis postponed 

[Stay.Of.Execution]

Did he puke on stage or something?

1 hour ago, username said:

It's amazing to see. Only GnR fans could debate so much and so extensively over a singer that has sounded consistently shit over the past 5 to 10 years and has shown no structural sign improvement at all in that period. It's been one steady decline. 

 

Let's hope they'll have to resort to something drastic to still make money, like releasing music. 

Funny. In June people on this forum were praising axl's voice after the first few shows and how much it progressed comparing to last year. Now we're back to being shit all over. 

[kingcanyon]

51 minutes ago, GoBucky said:

St. Louis postponed 

have we got an offical announcement or is it via somewhere else?