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If you reread my OP, I created this thread the day the European tour was announced. I was deflated that day as Slash had said in late 2019 that they’d only  have a few dates in SA in 2020 and they’d be focusing on a new album. So naturally, It sucked to hear European dates announced and then more US dates. 
 

I briefly got my hopes up that just maybe a new album was all ready to go for these dates. Especially with the “all new show” advertising. 
 

But now I believe that Slash was been truthful in 2019. New music is still far away and getting even further every time more dates are announced. The all new show is simply going to be adding a song or 2 to the set and switching the order a little. 
 

These new dates are not connected to new music IMO. New music may come at some point, but probably only when sales drop or they actually come off the road for a bit to focus on it. 

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11 minutes ago, jacdaniel said:

If you reread my OP, I created this thread the day the European tour was announced. I was deflated that day as Slash had said in late 2019 that they’d only  have a few dates in SA in 2020 and they’d be focusing on a new album. So naturally, It sucked to hear European dates announced and then more US dates. 

I briefly got my hopes up that just maybe a new album was all ready to go for these dates. Especially with the “all new show” advertising. 

But now I believe that Slash was been truthful in 2019. New music is still far away and getting even further every time more dates are announced. The all new show is simply going to be adding a song or 2 to the set and switching the order a little. 

These new dates are not connected to new music IMO. New music may come at some point, but probably only when sales drop or they actually come off the road for a bit to focus on it. 

I believe that it takes some time to book a tour, so when Slash talked about only the few SA dates as what was ahead for 2020, he most likely knew about the Euro and US dates but they just weren't "announceable" yet.

I had noticed that in some of Slash's post-show tweets in October 2019, he said "See you sooner than later":

It could have been a typical "thank you" tweet phrasing, but in the light of what we know, he probably meant that there would be a new US tour coming soon.

So Slash must have already known the schedule for the rest of 2020. The question is if these new dates were planned to be in support of new music and if the plan still stands.

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39 minutes ago, Lies They Tell said:

The reunion is cool and all. It's great that they buried the hatchet and I enjoyed seeing them on stage together, but at the end of the day what I got out of the reunion was just one single show. From CD2 I would have got years of enjoyment. I listen to music pretty much daily, all the time, so a new album would have given me infinitely more enjoyment than the reunion.

I think I've been expecting an album with maybe 4 brand new songs, 8 CD-era songs and maybe 2 songs that Axl, Slash and Duff started working on in the nineties. Obviously the CD era songs would be re-recored by Slash and Duff. Some of the songs might change drastically from their original form. But I've been expecting something like that cause it just feels dumb to write everything from scratch when you got so much unreleased material in the vault. But of course the longer it takes for them to release a new album the bigger the portion of brand new songs is starting to feel.

The constant touring feels baffling to me. At some point I thought that they were trying to break some record with the tour, but now the NITL tour has ended and this new tour won't break any records. That's for sure! There's just no point in this tour unless it's about new music. So I don't get it. What are they doing? They don't even seem to enjoy this themselves, so why are they doing this?

As for the either reunion or new album, I think we can have both, the question is when ofc. 

As for the touring, I don't understand it either. I've always been saying NITL should have ended with the end of 2017. We got more, but ok. But now? What's the point? There's still a chance something will happen as of March. Otherwise I don't know, really. 

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While I think it's possible we'll get more news on recording and maybe some new songs played this year, I find it utterly impossible the band could be so far along with recording that a spring/summer release could happen and there not be massive leaks. No industry grumblings whatsoever? Hell no. 

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1 hour ago, gavgnr said:

All new show 🤣

All new video animations on the back screens! 🤟😂🤩 and maybe, just maybe, they'll open with CD this time! *fingers crossed*!

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1 hour ago, Blackstar said:

I believe that it takes some time to book a tour

With a band this big, it can quickly be 2-3 months for itinerary & contracts and another 2-3 months for presales.

That's six months of varying types of (office) work before they belt out the old hat setlist all over again.

Plus, there's likely ongoing talks with various promoters who want seconds (or thirds) out of the NITL pie.

Guns get money thrown at them from these people, whereas an album today is an excuse to tour.

Apparently no-one with a say thinks CD2 (or some such) would boost ticket sales much further.

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3 hours ago, Blackstar said:

This is a good point, and Slash and Duff have been doing this (and will continue doing it regardless of whether there is new GnR music or not). The problem is that Axl wants to do everything under the GnR moniker and hasn't expressed any interest in doing something creative outside of it since 1994 (except for a couple of times where he mentioned he'd like to write movie soundtracks). So the only way to ever hear new music from Axl is if there is new GnR music. I don't know why that is - maybe it's lack of confidence, or that he identifies too much with GnR as an idea or as a brand, or a combination of both, or something else, too. But it is what it is.

Personally I'd be content if Axl released music as a solo artist or under another moniker. There's a lot of things he could do: a piano based album, a duets album... He could do an "Axl and friends" type of collaboration album on which he could also include stuff from the vault that he doesn't intend to release with GnR: there could be Down By The Ocean or another song with Izzy, Going Down with Tommy, Atlas Shrugged with Brian May, a song with Angus Young, songs featuring other musicians he would like to work with... Then he could do small tours for it and also big shows with GnR playing the back catalogue - and even better, release one last album with GnR, too.

I don't want to speak on behalf of anyone else, but I think if Axl did that, it would take away a lot of the frustration caused by the lack of new GnR material, at least as far as the fans who supported and liked the NuGnR lineups go (a minority within the GnR fanbase as a whole, but a big portion of the hardcore fans on the forums), as Axl's presence was enough for them to support the new endeavour, and they believed in the potential of the music made by him and the people he recruited. I think that what a lot of these fans want, basically, is new music from Axl. 

I think it is cause Axl is an insecure guy, then GNR moniker is his umbrella where him feel secure. Isn't same in Slash and Duff case.

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I also find it a bit hard to think of when Slash could have worked on a new album... Over the last 4 years, he has toured the world more than once with Guns, released a full album and world tour with SKMC, contributed to albums such as Ozzy, many guest appearances at various shows, Lots of PR for SMKC, Guns rehearsals which apparently last a few weeks. Not to mention all the other things he must do... animal rights, family time etc. 
 

Difficult to see were he got the time to complete a Guns album. I mean, it is possible... but I would have thought they’d need to disappear for a few months to get it done. 

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Someone made a fan-made video of Hard School in Youtube. Came a cross to it when watching clips from yesterdays concert :P

 

Desperate we are indeed!

 

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11 hours ago, Sydney Fan said:

I think new music will be a reality. Most likely matter of when not if. I think the band or maybe slash has mention their discography is small and it does nag at them.  I personally think if they arnt into releasing a new album a new song as part of a new tour woud be good. Release it digitally as a single, and would give the band some excitement putting the setlist together rather than relying on their old stuff. But the band are old school and want to do album tours.i remenber slash saying in an interview he wants guns to go back to doing album, tour, album tour cycle. We just have to be patient 🤷‍♂️.

I was sure it was actually Axl who said this.....which makes it odd that nothing has yet been released.

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5 hours ago, Ratam said:

I think it is cause Axl is an insecure guy, then GNR moniker is his umbrella where him feel secure. Isn't same in Slash and Duff case.

Insecure guy, no Man, no, he Love money, This TOUR Could be called TOUR of BILLIONS, GNR never cares to fans. No would be a new album 

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Maybe the problem is Slash wants Axl to work on some of his songs, rather than just vice versa. Slash mentioned he's written new stuff for GNR. If the quality is the same as the songs on Living The Dream it's no surprise Axl is uninspired.

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57 minutes ago, ShadowOfTheWave said:

Maybe the problem is Slash wants Axl to work on some of his songs, rather than just vice versa. Slash mentioned he's written new stuff for GNR. If the quality is the same as the songs on Living The Dream it's no surprise Axl is uninspired.

Although to be fair it isn't like Axl was releasing much back when he had full creative control over GNR anyways lol

 

If we entertain that hypothesis, if Axl can't take a Slash riff and turn it into something, all hope is lost :lol:

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25 minutes ago, ShadowOfTheWave said:

Maybe the problem is Slash wants Axl to work on some of his songs, rather than just vice versa. Slash mentioned he's written new stuff for GNR. If the quality is the same as the songs on Living The Dream it's no surprise Axl is uninspired.

you really think the quality of Slash's riffs is the problem? every classic Gn'R album contains at least a few of Slash's riff based tunes, it's a part of the character of the music so when Axl said in 2016 he wants to first write lyrics and then do the music that doesn't mean the entire album maybe just a part of it. I think Axl, Slash, and Duff know a thing or two about putting together a song. I don't think there are music issues. Could be good for Slash to try a little harder but no issues in the riffs/solos department imo. He actually played less notes in LDT and used single coils a lot and for a better sound for specific riffs it just needs to be inspired. 

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58 minutes ago, ShadowOfTheWave said:

Maybe the problem is Slash wants Axl to work on some of his songs, rather than just vice versa. Slash mentioned he's written new stuff for GNR. If the quality is the same as the songs on Living The Dream it's no surprise Axl is uninspired.

Man, lack of material isn’t the issue. Slash himself said that they’ve done recording. Most likely Axl just doesn’t want to release it for some reasons. Stuff is done

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1 hour ago, sl4yer said:

Man, lack of material isn’t the issue. Slash himself said that they’ve done recording. Most likely Axl just doesn’t want to release it for some reasons. Stuff is done

If the real money was in releasing an album, instead of playing concerts, I think they would've already done so.

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I'd guess that part of Axl's dilemma is wanting to use CD-era vocals, and not being able to replicate those vocals in concert. After UYI and CD's releases, they played lots of new songs on the following tours, and Axl simply can't sing the raspy high notes like he could pre-2017, let alone pre-2011.

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Maybe they feel that anything they release as GNR will be disappointing.

Granted he released a lot more albums before he stopped but Billy Joel has been touring for 27 years since releasing his last album. He said something to the effect of that he couldn't write anything worth recording anymore and that the fans wanted to hear the old stuff.

I remember when Aerosmith released "Just Push Play" I tried to will myself to like it but it was immediately clear that it wasn't anywhere close to as good as their prior work (even the stuff done with outside writers).

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44 minutes ago, Gnrcane said:

Maybe they feel that anything they release as GNR will be disappointing.

Granted he released a lot more albums before he stopped but Billy Joel has been touring for 27 years since releasing his last album. He said something to the effect of that he couldn't write anything worth recording anymore and that the fans wanted to hear the old stuff.

I remember when Aerosmith released "Just Push Play" I tried to will myself to like it but it was immediately clear that it wasn't anywhere close to as good as their prior work (even the stuff done with outside writers).

That’d be fine (of course still disappointing) if they just communicated that instead of being stupidly vague.

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Fernando made another appearance on Reddit yesterday. A user on there really let him have it regarding all this album talk + more. And of course, his short, curt responses didn't address a single thing. 

Link if anyone wants to check it out: 

 

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13 hours ago, Blackstar said:

I believe that it takes some time to book a tour, so when Slash talked about only the few SA dates as what was ahead for 2020, he most likely knew about the Euro and US dates but they just weren't "announceable" yet.

I had noticed that in some of Slash's post-show tweets in October 2019, he said "See you sooner than later":

It could have been a typical "thank you" tweet phrasing, but in the light of what we know, he probably meant that there would be a new US tour coming soon.

So Slash must have already known the schedule for the rest of 2020. The question is if these new dates were planned to be in support of new music and if the plan still stands.

That's a good observation. I agree, I think he already knew about the U.S. dates. Just a matter of time until they're announced.

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I’m considering the leaks as the new album, because I’m assuming we’re never going to see new music from the band at this point.

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2 hours ago, GNRfanJen said:

Fernando made another appearance on Reddit yesterday. A user on there really let him have it regarding all this album talk + more. And of course, his short, curt responses didn't address a single thing. 

Link if anyone wants to check it out: 

 

Being a manager of a band means that one of ur task is to fight with fans in a forum XD

Hoping that the press will start to bash GNR again like they deserve to be. 

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