"General Musings" " Thread for all of "Thoughts On" all GnR things in the universe.

[19AT5]

On 9/4/2021 at 7:40 AM, jamillos said:

But unlike us, at least she can wake up, grababrushandputalittlemakeup, you know? 

(I'll see myself out.)

This made me laugh!! Hahaha!

[19AT5]

On 8/28/2021 at 1:19 AM, goldentobacco said:

Been listening a lot to some of the songs on the Rough Mixes CD's. Truly some gems there, such a shame so little of them got released. State of Grace is probably one of my favourites, I love Axl's performance, but the instrumentation... my god! I love that riff, and I have such a soft spot for riffs that incorporate that flat fifth, (like It's So Easy, The General, Welcome to the Jungle). I used to think that SoG probably could be a couple minutes longer, but I don't see any reason to adding more stuff there, it's short and sweet with a cracking outro! Great stuff.

Kind of the opposite with Dummy. It's pretty underrated in my opinion, but it does drag for way too long. I love the vibe from that song. Devious Bastard is also such a badass song, reminiscent of Perfect Crime and Garden of Eden in some ways, just evolved. Not a fan of the quotes and voice recordings added, it's present in so many NuGuns demos, and it's honestly cringeworthy. Works excellently in Madagascar though. 

There's honestly so much good stuff there that really does hold their own ground without the prescence of Axl and his undeniable vocal capabilites. It's an eternal shame that all we got was Chinese Democracy, and GN'R never got to truly evolve from the sleaze rock image which they definitely did outgrow. The sleaziness is why I got into GN'R in the first place, but what a journey it would have been to go from a bare bones rock n' roll style to whatever could have been. An ever evolving style would in my eyes have cemented GN'Rs legacy in music in a much larger scale. I understand everyone who hates the musical direction GN'R went in, but I feel there's a stronger case to be made for the fact that GN'R would have regressed more had they continued to pump out albums in the vein of Appetite and Illusions. I've been very disillusioned with this band for years, since my personal connection with them kind of got bookended after I got to finally see them live, but the release of Absurd has truly brought me back to being a crazy GN'R nerd again. I welcome and embrace the frustrating dysfunctionality, because there is nothing like it, there's nothing like GN'R. There's a reason that after two decades this forum is still around with several active (and even new!) members discussing.

My personal feelings with GN'R get encapsulated with the phone recording of The General. Behind the wall of shit you can hear something. You don't really know what it is, but it's so thrilling. The wailing solo, that haunting motif and Axl belting out some gut wrenching lyrics. ''There's a child now chained to the bed now ... I think it's high time you should fuckin' die, child, I think this time you've broken everything inside''. What the fuck?! How come this isn't out? Based on that clip and the orchestal motif, I really feel that song is something different. Along the lines of Queen's Innuendo perhaps. I don't know, there's just fucking SOMETHING about that song that's been thrilling me for years and years and years. Those lyrics can be so much further from what's actually being sung, but honestly what the actual fuck? That's what fucking confuses me, if I was sitting on that stuff I'd do my BEST to get that out, to get people listening to this. It's so different from everything else from Guns, and that's not even a bad thing! ''And if you listen very hard, the tune will come to you at last''

I still carry hope that Axl finds it in himself to just bring more music. Whether it be orchestal film scores, electronic weirdness or even classic GN'R rock, I don't really give a shit but I do know Axl is a genius. He has so much to give.

I love this game!

Axl is good, but a genius? No, I wouldn't say so. 1 album in 30 years, some pretty ropey performances in the past 10 years, and many many many missed opportunities in that same time frame. A genius knows when to pull the trigger and deliver the goods! Axl was a bloody superb vocalist and an underrated lyricist. But he is also the main reason for the breakup of the first era of the band, as I understand it. In his prime, a bloody brilliant frontman. 

And how the hell anybody can get overly excited about a shitty phone recording of an unreleased track... well I'm guessing you might have been drunk when you posted that! Hahah!

[smokingbarrels]

49 minutes ago, 19AT5 said:

Axl is good, but a genius? No, I wouldn't say so. 1 album in 30 years, some pretty ropey performances in the past 10 years, and many many many missed opportunities in that same time frame. A genius knows when to pull the trigger and deliver the goods! Axl was a bloody superb vocalist and an underrated lyricist. But he is also the main reason for the breakup of the first era of the band, as I understand it. In his prime, a bloody brilliant frontman. 

And how the hell anybody can get overly excited about a shitty phone recording of an unreleased track... well I'm guessing you might have been drunk when you posted that! Hahah!

Being an opportunitist and being productive is not what makes a genius...at all

[19AT5]

1 hour ago, smokingbarrels said:

Being an opportunitist and being productive is not what makes a genius...at all

Ah yes, the unproductive genius. Gotchya! 🤪😀😅

[Gibson87]

So I get home from the grocery store and as I'm putting away groceries I just start quietly singing to myself "Listen motherfuckers to the song that should be heard!" 

[We love Axl Rose]

[Voodoochild]

Just a rambling: UMG manually took 4 videos of my YouTube channel, which led me to 2 strikes. I just post guitar covers and an occasional own stuff there. 

I understand that they felt the need to took down after I posted a cover of an unreleased track (Perhaps), but they even took down my Absurd cover, which I posted at the same day the song got released. 

It's very frustrating to deal with this kind of shit on YouTube, as many of you know. But in my case I put a lot of work to learn, record, mix and edit the videos. To think that someone actually thought that I was doing the band any harm is ridiculous. 

[Gibson87]

I kinda wish Axl would use the verse section of Prostitute as an intro to NR like he did in 2002/2006.

[Manfisman]

On 9/11/2021 at 10:17 PM, Voodoochild said:

Just a rambling: UMG manually took 4 videos of my YouTube channel, which led me to 2 strikes. I just post guitar covers and an occasional own stuff there. 

I understand that they felt the need to took down after I posted a cover of an unreleased track (Perhaps), but they even took down my Absurd cover, which I posted at the same day the song got released. 

It's very frustrating to deal with this kind of shit on YouTube, as many of you know. But in my case I put a lot of work to learn, record, mix and edit the videos. To think that someone actually thought that I was doing the band any harm is ridiculous. 

Does that happen with any other band? Shouldn't covers be protected? Like, unless you're using a backing track, is just your playing

[Voodoochild]

2 minutes ago, Manfisman said:

Does that happen with any other band? Shouldn't covers be protected? Like, unless you're using a backing track, is just your playing

It does with some bands. I've been having a hard time with Faith No More and Jimi Hendrix songs I tried to cover before. 

But yeah, I was using backing tracks. This is not a problem usually, it only makes my videos impossible to monetize. I don't care, my channel isn't big enough even though I'm the only one on YouTube covering all the Chinese Democracy tracks lol. 

[mystery]

I just heard Nightrain used as bumper music during the Giants/Dodgers game.

[Neider]

I dreamed I was reading somewhere that at some Stones show on the Steel Wheels tour, Axl sang the backing vocals in the Mixed Emotions backing vocals. Don’t judge me, I really love that Stones song and surely Axl’s voice in the backing vocals would have sounded excellent.

Please don't make fun of me.

[Blackstar]

49 minutes ago, Neider said:

I dreamed I was reading somewhere that at some Stones show on the Steel Wheels tour, Axl sang the backing vocals in the Mixed Emotions backing vocals. Don’t judge me, I really love that Stones song and surely Axl’s voice in the backing vocals would have sounded excellent.

Please don't make fun of me.

I don't know if you're joking or not, but that did happen. Axl and Izzy had guested at all three Rolling Stones in Atlantic City (the second one was the pay-per-view one) and at the third show Axl also did backing vocals on Mixed Emotions.

[Gordon Comstock]

54 minutes ago, Neider said:

I dreamed I was reading somewhere that at some Stones show on the Steel Wheels tour, Axl sang the backing vocals in the Mixed Emotions backing vocals. Don’t judge me, I really love that Stones song and surely Axl’s voice in the backing vocals would have sounded excellent.

Please don't make fun of me.

 

12.20.89 - Convention Center, Atlantic City, NJ
set: Salt Of The Earth, Mixed Emotions [w/ Axl]
audio/video recording?: audio
notes: Axl & Izzy again join The Rolling Stones the next night for "Salt Of The Earth." Axl sings background vocals on "Mixed Emotions" as well.

[downzy]

1 hour ago, Gordon Comstock said:

 

12.20.89 - Convention Center, Atlantic City, NJ
set: Salt Of The Earth, Mixed Emotions [w/ Axl]
audio/video recording?: audio
notes: Axl & Izzy again join The Rolling Stones the next night for "Salt Of The Earth." Axl sings background vocals on "Mixed Emotions" as well.

Never knew that!

Did it get recorded and is it floating around somewhere?  

[Neider]

11 hours ago, Blackstar said:

I don't know if you're joking or not, but that did happen. Axl and Izzy had guested at all three Rolling Stones in Atlantic City (the second one was the pay-per-view one) and at the third show Axl also did backing vocals on Mixed Emotions.

Oh… I said I had dreamed because I could swear I saw it somewhere, so then I forgot about it but a couple days ago I remembered and googled it but didn’t get anything on it. So I said to myself “boy, you dreamed it or that was a Mandela effect”.

I’m glad that that was real. Salt of the Earth with Axl and Izzy was fantastic so I hope we get that version of Mixed Emotions one day. What a song!

[gavgnr]

Lull before the storm my friend 

[WhazUp]

6 hours ago, frozen_rose said:

Isn't this supposed to be the biggest GNR forum on the internet? Since when did it become so quiet and why? What's going on? 

Tour is over and the new songs have been out for a little while now, it is fairly typically to have this level of activity during the downtime

If GNR were actively promoting the new songs via interviews, music videos, etc. it would probably be a bit more lively at the moment

[Gordon Comstock]

On 10/15/2021 at 12:55 AM, downzy said:

Never knew that!

Did it get recorded and is it floating around somewhere?  

 

Yea, but the quality isn't great.

[downzy]

4 hours ago, Gordon Comstock said:

 

Yea, but the quality isn't great.

Thanks. I could barely make out Axl during the choruses.

Unfortunately had to remove the link from your post to keep the forum alive. 

[allwaystired]

On 10/15/2021 at 5:55 AM, downzy said:

Never knew that!

Did it get recorded and is it floating around somewhere?  

It's been officially released actually in great quality on a CD/DVD set by the Rolling Stones...... 

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Steel-Wheels-Live-Rolling-Stones/dp/B08DC1ZBQ6

[Blackstar]

22 minutes ago, allwaystired said:

It's been officially released actually in great quality on a CD/DVD set by the Rolling Stones...... 

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Steel-Wheels-Live-Rolling-Stones/dp/B08DC1ZBQ6

This is not the same show. It's the show on the previous night (Dec. 19, 1989), the pay per view one. Axl and Izzy were there for Salt Of The Earth at all three shows in Atlantic City, but Axl sang backing vocals on Mixed Emotions only on the third night (Dec. 20).

[allwaystired]

1 hour ago, Blackstar said:

This is not the same show. It's the show on the previous night (Dec. 19, 1989), the pay per view one. Axl and Izzy were there for Salt Of The Earth at all three shows in Atlantic City, but Axl sang backing vocals on Mixed Emotions only on the third night (Dec. 20).

Ah ok! Thanks for clarifying. 

 

[Neider]

I know that Axl’s voice in 2001 and 2002 was similar, although not the same. HoB from 2001 seems like a great show to me but that's not my point in this post.

I have the Boston 2002 soundboard in excellent quality, and I really like the sound of that show. Yes, Axl’s voice is much weaker than 2006-10 and even 2001, but I think Axl was improving a lot in the last shows of 2002 (eg Albany, Boston and MSG). Who knows, if the tour hadn’t ended abruptly, and continued in 2003, I don’t rule out that Axl would have ended up singing at least like in 2007.

As a curiosity, I prefer to listen to the 2001-02 and 2006 versions of Live and Let Die over the 1991-93 versions. And another curiosity… I thought Axl started playing Prostitute as an intro for November Rain in 2006, but it turns out that in 2002 he already did. I was surprised to hear Prostitute’s notes on the Boston soundboard haha.

[mystery]

1 hour ago, Neider said:

I know that Axl’s voice in 2001 and 2002 was similar, although not the same. HoB from 2001 seems like a great show to me but that's not my point in this post.

I have the Boston 2002 soundboard in excellent quality, and I really like the sound of that show. Yes, Axl’s voice is much weaker than 2006-10 and even 2001, but I think Axl was improving a lot in the last shows of 2002 (eg Albany, Boston and MSG). Who knows, if the tour hadn’t ended abruptly, and continued in 2003, I don’t rule out that Axl would have ended up singing at least like in 2007.

As a curiosity, I prefer to listen to the 2001-02 and 2006 versions of Live and Let Die over the 1991-93 versions. And another curiosity… I thought Axl started playing Prostitute as an intro for November Rain in 2006, but it turns out that in 2002 he already did. I was surprised to hear Prostitute’s notes on the Boston soundboard haha.

I think you bring up a good point on Axl's voice possibly improving during that tour had they kept going. He had really only done 4 shows the previous year by the time 2002 came around. It doesn't explain him firing out the gate in 2006 but I think he was in great shape then which helped and was probably in a better frame of mind to tour then.