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Hard Skool Officially Released at Midnight - Sept 24


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38 minutes ago, Lies They Tell said:

I've entertained the idea that the song could be about Axl, but in that case who would be the person who didn't spare efforts in saving what they had? Slash? I doubt that Axl would have written a song about a heroic Slash back in the day. 😂

I'd say that it's pretty certain that at least initially Axl wrote the song from his own point of view. Slash was the one who threw it all away and Axl was the one who didn't spare efforts to save what they had. But it's possible that these days he might view it more like a song about the break up in general and it's not really relevant who is who in the song. To a certain degree they all tried to play it cool and threw it all away. To a certain degree they all tried to save what they had. It depends on the point of view. I think that the song could be seen as a song about the breakup in general.

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10 hours ago, opalho said:

THEY'VE DONE IT

THEY'VE FINALLY FUCKING DONE IT!!!!!

I am very happy right now :)

Yeah it's great isn't it!

  • 1 decent enough edited demo from 1999
  • 1 20 year old edited demo which is about as good as 'My World'
  • 2 live tracks nobody asked for

Pay now - receive in 6 months.

Don't forget, buy your tickets for 2022.  If sales struggle, we'll release Atlas Shrugged with 99 vocals.

 

I said yesterday that the depressing thing about that fake EP tracklist was that even though Fernando said it was false, the reality was going to be close.

What's hilarious is that fake EP that everyone was horrified by is much, much better than what we are getting.

As I've just read somewhere else, it's the EP that has outshat even the lowest of expectations!

And as they've just dropped 2 out of the 5 remaining songs they have, an album will never come.  Very best scenario is another EP in 2023 with Atlas/Perhaps/General and live stuff.

Then the vault is emptied.

 

Also, Beta and Fernando have been actively replying to question on how you can buy it.  When asked 'is there anything new recorded from scratch' they are silent.

 

 

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8 hours ago, Powerage5 said:

Any reports from the halls of the high skools? Are kids dancing in the hallways when it gets played over the PA systems?

Not yet, buy I've seen a fair few of the 'did not happen' posts where people played the song for a friend/relative.

You know the type:

"I just played this song to my uncle who only listens to Mozart and Beethoven.  He always covers his ears when I play him songs, but I played him HardSkool and he raised his eyebrows, nodded his head and gave a wry smile"

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10 hours ago, ChrisMaciel said:

Fortus mentioned, before Reunion, that some of the Chinese tracks whey were working had initial ideias by old members. Maybe this one of them.

Possibly.. All I know is the vocals were taken from a NuGnR song demo.. That seems to be the most reliable source of anything since this the band doesn't say shit about anything

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1 minute ago, Stay.Of.Execution said:

It's so funny how some people rate this song depending of how it got made and when. If they didn't have any of that info, they'd probably love it.

It's not about rating it from when it was made.

It's about GNR 'releasing new songs' when we know they are just using old vocal takes from 20 years ago.  Some inexplicably think that means new songs are coming, some understand that there are no new songs which is why we are getting 'Silkworms' dressed up as new.

 

Hardskool is decent enough.  Would be a good enough, enjoyable filler track on Illusions.  Same on CD - about IRS level.

People are enjoying it.  I certainly enjoyed hearing it.

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3 minutes ago, Tom-Ass said:

Possibly.. All I know is the vocals were taken from a NuGnR song demo.. That seems to be the most reliable source of anything since this the band doesn't said shit about anything

It seems to me that only a sworn statement from Axl, Slash and Duff that it's from 1996 would do it for you - and even that might not be enough, because the vocals are from the CD era, so the song has been permanently contaminated by NuGnR and you may be contaminated, too :lol:

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4 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

It seems to me that only a sworn statement from Axl, Slash and Duff that it's from 1996 would do it for you - and even that might not be enough, because the vocals are from the CD era, so the song has been permanently contaminated by NuGnR and you may be contaminated, too :lol:

:) 

I will listen to it when I am in the mood and have a more open mind..

But yes.. I didn't like CD, Absurd and the idea of creating songs by slapping tracks over NuGnR demos isn't even remotely appealing to me.. I might be pleasantly surprised but I doubt it

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25 minutes ago, Tom-Ass said:

:) 

I will listen to it when I am in the mood and have a more open mind..

But yes.. I didn't like CD, Absurd and the idea of creating songs by slapping tracks over NuGnR demos isn't even remotely appealing to me.. I might be pleasantly surprised but I doubt it

You don’t like cd or any guns music are you sure you are on the right forum lad?

 

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That’s what happens when leaked versions of the songs surfaces on the internet. 

I’ve been thinking about not listening to any leaked material from now on. But that’s not easy when you have a band that takes so long to release officially something. 

6 minutes ago, GoForJMark said:

Was just checking out the Hard Skool soundcheck footage that we all saw. And noticed the screen on the stage, it appears that the band is being filmed? Do they usually test the cameras during soundcheck? Or could they be filming for a potential video of the song? 

That’s normal. They use soundcheck to test everything else like video, lighting and pyro 

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Im with Tom on this one, Ive listened to the songs and enjoyed both tho. 
The thing for me is: Same old same old. The band didnt have the capacity to create new songs in almost five years of reunion and are relying on 20+ years old demos to keep the momentum.

its cool that Slash and Duff are back, but if this is all we’re gonna get, Id rather have NITL to be a one off tour thing, and then have the NuGNR guys back. At least I wouldnt feel cheated.

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7 minutes ago, ZODIAC said:

i'm so sick of this "new song discussion". of course it's NEW, as it wasn't released before. 

when november rain was released in 1991, nobody was complaining about "axl startet writing this song ages ago!" 

art in general needs its time. a painting, a song,... it't done when the artist feels right to release it. nobody fucked up michelangelo after painting the sistine chapel over decades.

so... relax people. why can't you just enjoy this GNR rocker?! i for myself don't give a fuck how old this song might be, where it has its origins or who's playing the goddamn drums! i love the GNR sound it has, axls vocals, slashs guitar(solo) and the great bass (intro!)

as always, complaints, complaints, complaints... :-)

was thinking the same!

Here's some easy counter points:

November Rain wasn't 20+ years old

It also wasn't painted over by other people who had no hand in writing it

It also had excellent production 

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1 minute ago, RussTCB said:

Here's some easy counter points:

November Rain wasn't 20+ years old

It also wasn't painted over by other people who had no hand in writing it

It also had excellent production 

but....

it doesn't matter, how many years are between the first idea and the final release. 5 years, 10 years, 20 years... 

michelangelo had many students who helped him. in the end it's a michelangelo "product" nobody cares who made the "fillings".  at least Duff already worked on HS in 1996 one would assume.

in the end, the final song matters. no demos and nothing else...

MAYBE the production could be better, but come on... we got an official release by our favourite band. it's a great song...

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1 minute ago, ZODIAC said:

but....

it doesn't matter, how many years are between the first idea and the final release. 5 years, 10 years, 20 years... 

michelangelo had many students who helped him. in the end it's a michelangelo "product" nobody cares who made the "fillings".  at least Duff already worked on HS in 1996 one would assume.

in the end, the final song matters. no demos and nothing else...

MAYBE the production could be better, but come on... we got an official release by our favourite band. it's a great song...

"but other artists did it" isn't really a solid argument for creativity.

While I personally agree that the final song is all that matters, I can see how others would be that Slash & Duff returned to their legendary positions just to re-record parts someone else wrote 20+ years prior. 

Again, I happen to like the song outside of the awful production. I'm a huge Robin Finck fan and I'm totally OK with what Slash did with replacing his solo. 

However, just because GN'R finally released the lowest possible creative product as new music doesn't mean I'm going to go around telling others they have to like it and/or pretend the history of the track doesn't exist. 

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I think the closest GN'R related example, in relation to how far back the songs go, is Shadow of Your Love and Back Off Bitch, which were originally written circa 1982 by Axl and Paul Tobias, then were developed by Hollywood Rose and then re-arranged and recorded by Guns N' Roses.

In regards to the origins of Hard Skool, we now have an official statement that it was written solely by Axl, so no members of the CD era had a hand in originally writing it. So it seems it's an Axl song that was arranged by CD era members (and probably there was an earlier arrangement by Duff, Matt and maybe Slash, if it dates from 1996 - and I think it does) and now it's been arranged and recorded by the current lineup.

The only difference is, of course, that in the case of Shadow and Back Off the whole songs, including the vocals, were re-recorded.

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