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Hard Skool Officially Released at Midnight - Sept 24


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18 minutes ago, RONIN said:

Not bad. Very old GnR sounding (as in 1980's GnR).  Was this song , aka "Jackie Chan", one of the final tracks the original band was working on in 1996 before disbanding? I vaguely remember Duff mentioning "Jackie Chan" as one of the new songs they were working on in a late 90's interview with Howard Stern right before he left the band.

Yes, Duff had mentioned it on Stern in the summer of 1996. Matt has also mentioned it in his unreleased book as a song Axl had at the time.

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8 hours ago, SoulMonster said:

I talked to someone close to Axl and apparently the song was never intended on the soundtrack to a Jackie Chan movie. The working title, Jackie Chan, was chosen simply because Axl was watching a Jackie Chan movie at the time.

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52 minutes ago, GNR 1991 said:

why do you still login every day if you can’t bring yourself to listen to a 3 min song? mind boggling 😂

Why do I have to be excited about this song to log on here? I go see them live every time they come spending $250 - $300 a ticket.  I still am a big fan of their live shows... Still check setlists and still enjoy watching  at least 1 or two videos from every show.. I am always trying to convince people to go see them live. I have been a fan for like 35 years... I listened to Absurd a few times the first day it came out and it was terrible. A CD era song created in the same Frankenstein method just turns me off.. Along with other reasons.. It hasn't even been out a day.. For better or for worse, I will hear it eventually...

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3 minutes ago, Tom-Ass said:

Why do I have to be excited about this song to log on here? I go see them live every time they come spending $250 - $300 a ticket.  I still am a big fan of their live shows... Still check setlists and still enjoy watching  at least 1 or two videos from every show.. I am always trying to convince people to go see them live. I have been a fan for like 35 years... I listened to Absurd a few times the first day it came out and it was terrible. A CD era song created in the same Frankenstein method just turns me off.. Along with other reasons.. It hasn't even been out a day.. For better or for worse, I will hear it eventually...

This is an original era GnR track apparently, not a chinese democracy reject. Hard Skool is from those lost 1996 sessions with Duff and Slash. I believe it's one of the final tracks they were working on before Slash quit (which blackstar also confirmed). That's the only reason I even bothered to listen to it. The sound of the song imho harkens back to AFD/Lies era. 

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6 minutes ago, RONIN said:

This is an original era GnR track apparently, not a chinese democracy reject. Hard Skool is from those lost 1996 sessions with Duff and Slash. I believe it's one of the final tracks they were working on before Slash quit (which blackstar also confirmed). That's the only reason I even bothered to listen to it. The sound of the song imho harkens back to AFD/Lies era. 

Not sure how true any of that is but I listened to an instrumental soundcheck and I do agree it had an old school GnR feel to some of it. 

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1 minute ago, Tom-Ass said:

Not sure how true any of that is but I listened to an instrumental soundcheck and I do agree it had an old school GnR feel to some of it. 

Right, while there is correlation to the term "Jackie Chan", fans have the uncanny ability to make a small connection and then automatically it is fact lol.  It is very possible it is a pre-nuGNR track but it is also possible Axl called it Jackie Chan for some weird Axl-inside joke that only he gets and it was unrelated to the potential Jackie Chan film songwriting attempt in '96.  Only time will tell, if a band member discusses its origins

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5 minutes ago, Tom-Ass said:

Not sure how true any of that is but I listened to an instrumental soundcheck and I do agree it had an old school GnR feel to some of it. 

Fortus mentioned, before Reunion, that some of the Chinese tracks whey were working had initial ideias by old members. Maybe this one of them.

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30 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

There is a press release from the band/label (source: Appetite for Distortion on twitter and GNREvo). According to it, it was written by Axl:

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Press releases like that are the reason I avoid working as PR hahaha. Almost no information at all. 

If Axl is indeed the sole writer (which means he also wrote the instrumental), we can also assume it could be one of his ideas when he was playing guitar with Duff and Matt. I guess around 1997 or even '96? I know you would have a quote for that, Blackstar. :)

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11 minutes ago, WhazUp said:

Right, while there is correlation to the term "Jackie Chan", fans have the uncanny ability to make a small connection and then automatically it is fact lol.  It is very possible it is a pre-nuGNR track but it is also possible Axl called it Jackie Chan for some weird Axl-inside joke that only he gets and it was unrelated to the potential Jackie Chan film songwriting attempt in '96.  Only time will tell, if a band member discusses its origins

@SoulMonster has shared some new information earlier in the thread regarding why Axl called it Jackie Chan (I have quoted it a couple of posts above): it wasn't because it was going to be in a Jackie Chan movie, but just because Axl had watched one when he wrote it.

Although this information doesn't clarify when it was written, it seems to refute only the part about it being intended for the movie, so maybe the rest of the assumption about its origin in 1996 is correct.

2 minutes ago, Voodoochild said:

Press releases like that are the reason I avoid working as PR hahaha. Almost no information at all. 

If Axl is indeed the sole writer (which means he also wrote the instrumental), we can also assume it could be one of his ideas when he was playing guitar with Duff and Matt. I guess around 1997 or even '96? I know you would have a quote for that, Blackstar. :)

Yes, it was in 1996. There are several quotes about it here: :)

https://www.a-4-d.com/t5018-19-december-1994-october-1996-axl-and-slash-fights-slash-quits#20215

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22 minutes ago, WhazUp said:

Right, while there is correlation to the term "Jackie Chan", fans have the uncanny ability to make a small connection and then automatically it is fact lol.  It is very possible it is a pre-nuGNR track but it is also possible Axl called it Jackie Chan for some weird Axl-inside joke that only he gets and it was unrelated to the potential Jackie Chan film songwriting attempt in '96.  Only time will tell, if a band member discusses its origins

Fair point, although the former imho seems more likely than the latter. You have a song title that was mentioned by Duff in '96 when he was on the Howard Stern show and by Matt Sorum in his autobiography as a track they were working on in '96. On the flipside, as you mentioned, it could have been an Axl inside joke and for some reason this song Hard Skool coincidentally has the same working title, "Jackie Chan" , as that '96 track. What are the chances?

What I probably should have said earlier is that this song "originated" in the 1996 sessions with Duff and Slash when it was just an instrumental track. The vocals were clearly laid on years later and no doubt the various nu guns lineups tinkered on this through the years. That, to me, seems likely.

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Everyone i know liked the song. None of the liked absurd 😂 and most of comments on the internet are good! All My Friends liked it. When Axl's raspy voice goes on Magic happens! Everyone was smiling at "but You had to play it cool..." They all agree sounds vintage GNR with modern sound. NONE of them said Anything about the mix. Hahaha for fucks sakes enjoy this great song You cunts

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3 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

So yeah, this could all lineup as one of Axl's songs that transited between original lineup and CD era tracks. Like @RONIN just said, seems more likely that Hard Skool could be from 1996, even though it was only a instrumental.

I'm curious about this:

Rose's sound is a lot more synthetic than anything I would get anywhere close to. That's about all I can say.

Makes me think Axl was already trying those overdistorted industrial guitars. 

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8 hours ago, Voodoochild said:

So yeah, this could all lineup as one of Axl's songs that transited between original lineup and CD era tracks. Like @RONIN just said, seems more likely that Hard Skool could be from 1996, even though it was only a instrumental.

I'm curious about this:

Rose's sound is a lot more synthetic than anything I would get anywhere close to. That's about all I can say.

Makes me think Axl was already trying those overdistorted industrial guitars. 

I remember you (I think some other forum members, too) had mentioned something about how unusual the guitar parts in the verses of the Village demo are. I've listened to it with the vocals muted and it really sounds unusual, although I don't have the knowledge to describe and analyze it. I guess Axl isn't playing on the demo, but maybe it has to do with how it was written?

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7 hours ago, --DEA-- said:

I really hate the negativity in this forum.. If they release a new album with new songs.. Well guess what.. It will be the same  negativity. Mix is wrong, Bring Matt or Steven back. I don't here Welcome to the jungle.. Axl can't sing.. And so on.. Why is there always a problem? 

To all of you that hate this band so much. This is what you get! Guns N' Roses 2021 😘

Well said homie! haters gonna hate, this BAND IS FUCKING BACK!

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2 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

I remember you (I think some other forum members, too) had mentioned something about how unusual the guitar parts in the verses of the Village demo are. I've listened to it with the vocals muted and it really sounds unusual, although I don't have the knowledge to describe and analyze it. I guess Axl isn't playing on the track, maybe it has to do with how it was written?

Possibly. And Robin Finck is actually a pretty good choice to realize the potential of those weird sound ideas Axl had. IRS comes to my mind, especially considering the 1999 arrangement, but mostly those 'calm' parts where Robin slides some notes with a clean guitar over acoustics and very very bright electric guitar (which I assumed it was Paul Tobias). Maybe that lead guitar in the introduction was also Axl (both in IRS and Hard School from 1999/2000)? 

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