Alejandro GNR Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 7 minutes ago, DTJ80 said: It’s funny as your post is very much like a post I made a while back and like hundreds of others. And that’s not a criticism of you at all - just that so many of us can see potential improvements to the overall experience AND delve into the catalogue! Although TBF…there was a few changes to this setlist so maybe there will be a few more changes over the tour. I thought RL was OK and WAOY was pretty good to be honest! That said - I’m glad I’m seeing them about 12 shows into the tour where the vocals are likely to be as good as we will get. Yeah, we fans have lowered the bar insanely to accept this vocals as OK...If this wasnt Axl...man, I dont know what we would be saying 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top-Hatted One Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 6 hours ago, thomasmcole said: I think setlist complaints is a bit of a double edged sword. On one hand it'd be great if they made a massive overhaul. But if they did the shows would have no new surprises going forward; they only have a tiny catalogue to choose from and aren't really releasing new music. So I think adding "new" old songs in dribs and drabs like they have been doing makes most sense. It allows them to continue milking the back catalogue much longer while also keeping us diehards somewhat happy and hopeful. Finally someone gets it. If they came out and emptied their entire catalog they might as well retire cos they wouldn’t be able to keep booking these tours. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NolaBola Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 2 hours ago, MYWIFEMYLIFE said: GNR IS a premium band. A standard GNR show is better than anything for me. I love the band, the songs, the lyrics, how they perform, and they are all top notch apart from Axl's vocals, but he does his best every nite and still is better than anyone. Still better than anyone?!?! Anyone?!?! Jesus, that is some blind, cultish fandom right there. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jamillos Posted June 6, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 6, 2022 1 hour ago, NolaBola said: Still better than anyone?!?! Anyone?!?! Jesus, that is some blind, cultish fandom right there. That's called having a favourite singer. Nothing wrong with that. Especially if it's an all-life fandom. You don't appraise them just by the latest performance, let alone gig. It's like "Your wife is your favourite and most beautiful woman in your life? What, are you blind or something?" Yeah. 3 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom2112 Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 3 hours ago, Top-Hatted One said: Finally someone gets it. If they came out and emptied their entire catalog they might as well retire cos they wouldn’t be able to keep booking these tours. Nobody is saying they should stop playing the songs in the current set. It's very clear that people want them to shake up the order so you don't know what's up next. Everybody here still wants to hear the hits as well as deep cuts.... Even the ones saying to cut SCOM etc. Rotating the opener would be a great start. Simple but it means you can't say for sure what the next song will be. I get it that some people don't mind knowing what's coming, but for me the excitement of a show is the not knowing. Being there in person will always be fun, I don't think many here are saying otherwise. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sosso Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 (edited) Here are the regular openers since 2001: WTTJ: 2001 - 2007 (six years, Robin era) CD: 2009 - 2014 (six years, DJ era) ISE: 2016 - 2022 (seven years, Slash & Duff era) Having the same opening song for a couple of years is normal for GN'R. Edited June 6, 2022 by Sosso Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allwaystired Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 Setlist debates are a difficult one as you have a band with very little material really, who like to play for a long time, and don't especially like change. Changing the order up would be fun though, I'd agree. The other dimension of course is the chronic lack of forward motion in terms of new material. That makes the setlist seem more dull than it would otherwise I think. If the setlist was absolutely identical for every leg of the tour for years, but there was a variety of new material inserted into it, say three or four songs each night, I don't think many would complain. It would seem far more dynamic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkside259 Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 omg they played reclkes life and you r crazy afd, in the first show... and a acdc new cover, aside of the whole setlis, whats the issue with the setlist now? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damian666 Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 Are there no pictures from this show? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pentatonicamenor Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 Just now, Damian666 said: Are there no pictures from this show? I've seem a lot in some fans social media, and of course in the official ones. Pics and vids. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powderfinger Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 14 hours ago, klakly said: If we are talking about international bands, I have seen U2, RHCP and in a few days the Stones, also at San Siro. I will let you know how it went, but just at the thought of seeing Guns I am excited,. I have been dreaming of seeing them live for years, but until now I had never been able to get tickets. Mick Jagger is 79 next month his voice is brilliant for his age... You’ll definitely enjoy the stones, especially if this is your first gig of theirs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powderfinger Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 10 hours ago, Lio said: Also: the Rolling Stones show in Belgium is more expensive than anywhere else. (As a result, it hasn't sold out yet.) It's not because the Stones think Belgians should pay more to see them, that's the promoter's decision. He obviously had to dig deep to get the Stones show, and he clearly thought he could ask those prices, because it's the Stones. You can get 2 tickets to ALL Rolling Stone his for a maximum of $80. I’ve been doing it for the last 20+ years. I’ve seen them 14 times and never paid more than that. They run a link on their website to buy tickets in a lucky dip. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lost un the jungle Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 3 hours ago, allwaystired said: Setlist debates are a difficult one as you have a band with very little material really, who like to play for a long time, and don't especially like change. Changing the order up would be fun though, I'd agree. The other dimension of course is the chronic lack of forward motion in terms of new material. That makes the setlist seem more dull than it would otherwise I think. If the setlist was absolutely identical for every leg of the tour for years, but there was a variety of new material inserted into it, say three or four songs each night, I don't think many would complain. It would seem far more dynamic. I complained about setlists maby times, but you have to consider (despite of our opinion) that business play a role here too: people who pay a ticket want to listen WTTJ, SCOM, NR and PC at least. Add a couple "take a break songs" like ISE or Brownstone and so the setlist is built up. Also GNR after the 90's didn't do acoustics or any other variant of the songs just for change, so it is what it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
axlslash Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 5 hours ago, Sosso said: Here are the regular openers since 2001: WTTJ: 2001 - 2007 (six years, Robin era) CD: 2009 - 2014 (six years, DJ era) ISE: 2016 - 2022 (seven years, Slash & Duff era) Having the same opening song for a couple of years is normal for GN'R. And ISE was the classic opener back in the day. So it makes sense on the reunion nostalgia circuit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jekylhyde Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 And ISE probably lubes Axl's voice and gets him warmed up vocally. I don't obviously know for sure, but I guess that could be one of the reasons they keep it as an opener. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 6 hours ago, allwaystired said: The other dimension of course is the chronic lack of forward motion in terms of new material. That makes the setlist seem more dull than it would otherwise I think. Are you not aware that they recently added two new songs to the setlist, Absurd and Hard Skool? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Bird Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 15 minutes ago, SoulMonster said: Are you not aware that they recently added two new songs to the setlist, Absurd and Hard Skool? They could play 25 completely different songs and you would still have people who were complaining about the set list. At each show there're probably a few 100 people AT THE VERY MOST who know the order of the songs. For thousands of others the setlist is a total surprise and they're just waiting for songs like SCOM, WTTJ and PC 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamillos Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 56 minutes ago, jekylhyde said: And ISE probably lubes Axl's voice and gets him warmed up vocally. I don't obviously know for sure, but I guess that could be one of the reasons they keep it as an opener. According to Duff, Axl does 1.5-hour warm-ups and warm-downs before every single show. Whether we believe it or not, he definitely does some vocal exercise, so I don't think the needs an extra 3-minute song to lube up or whatever. But yeah, he's been known to generally have used first gigs of tour legs as public rehearsals, no doubts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhazUp Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 One thing that I think could breathe a bit more life into it even if there are only 2-3 set changes per show or tour leg, is a simple changing of the song order Imagine the band starting the show with different openers and rotating them so you never know what you will get first - Nightrain, YCBM, Jungle, etc. Not knowing when Brownstone or any other song would enter. It would just give it a bit more freshness without the band having to do much 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MaskingApathy Posted June 7, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 7, 2022 (edited) On 6/5/2022 at 12:13 PM, Popcorn crew said: For the first gig I think they were better than usual. On 6/5/2022 at 2:33 PM, GNRfanMILO said: This was probably the best first show of the year since January 2017. Yes it was rough, but Axl is also 5 years older than in 2017. Loved Reckless Life, the mid-part was bad but it will get better. It's a nice adittion and his clean voice fits the song. Same could happen with Think About You if they decide to bring it back. I don't really get the setlist complaints either. It's different to the one last year, and even that doesn't matter. People should be comparing this setlist with the one from Europe '17, for the people that is actually going to these shows and not following them from a forum. Axl looks the best he has ever looked since 2011. We've seen him working out this year, the man is giving it his all. It's his voice that is partially gone, unfortunately there's not much he can do about it sans surgery (huge IMO). 2021 was an amazing year to be a GnR fan, and I think this year will be even better. I hope we get more "new" songs and they keep bringing some deep cuts back Some people should start considering the fact that we are currently going through the last years of Guns N' Roses. And I say that being a huge critic of the band. On 6/5/2022 at 3:13 PM, janrichmond said: Axl did a lot better than I expected, there were a few wtf moments but for a first night it wasn't that bad I agree. Regarding the setlist, it's boring to us now because we follow every single show. I watched some videos and they sound pretty good and look like they're having fun. What more do you want? Edited June 7, 2022 by MaskingApathy 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jekylhyde Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, jamillos said: According to Duff, Axl does 1.5-hour warm-ups and warm-downs before every single show. Whether we believe it or not, he definitely does some vocal exercise, so I don't think the needs an extra 3-minute song to lube up or whatever. But yeah, he's been known to generally have used first gigs of tour legs as public rehearsals, no doubts. Yeah, that was just my own speculation. Like maybe it gets him confident and into the zone, because it's one of the more pleasant/easier songs to sing and because doing warm-ups (which I'm sure he does) is still different than taking the stage and performing and getting the energy going But like I said, just my own speculation Edited June 7, 2022 by jekylhyde 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post SoulMonster Posted June 7, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 7, 2022 These complaints about the setlist is a bit absurd. First off, the setlists are for the audiences which don't follow the band religiously as we do and will likely not know exactly the order of songs played on the previous show or tour and will appreciate how the shows represent the entire discography of the band while playing all the main hits in a lengthy 2-3 hour show; secondly, the setlists are for the band to ensure a certain flow and allow for coordination of videos and pyro; thirdly, the setlists ARE slowly changing and you will NOT get the same setlist in 2022 as you did in 2021 or 2016, etc; fourthly, new songs have been added recently with Absurd and Hard Skool and that is more awesome than people who complain about the setlists seem to acknowledge; and lastly, they have just added deep cuts (Reckless Life and fast version of You're Crazy) and a new cover. In short: There is a certain fraction of the fan base who will simply never be happy. And they complain, complain, complain. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacdaniel Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 Imagine if tonight they played OTGM, Michelle, Nice Boys, PTU, Locomotive, Don't Cry, TWAT, Maddy and another cover maybe. That's 9 or 10 songs they could easily change night on night if they wanted that would keep each show unique. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamillos Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 (edited) Nice Boys could definitely serve as an alternation to one of the Crazy/SOYL/RL set. Same level, cool song. Edited June 7, 2022 by jamillos 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vloors Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 The clips I saw were definately a vocal improvement for Axl. Heres hoping he stays fit and motivated this leg 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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